Alright, the manual of the A80 is OUT! (https://github.com/allwinner-zh/documents)
Thanks a lot Kevin! -R On Tuesday, October 14, 2014 4:39:06 AM UTC+3, Zhao Zhili wrote: > > You are right. China have suffer too much from idealism. Now they come to > the other way. Don't say something too beautiful to them, they don't > believe that and think you are a cheater. > > On Mon, Oct 13, 2014 at 08:11:40AM -0700, jacky lau wrote: > > I agree with you and Jhon Yi. Developing a soc is not too hard now, > getting > > customers is harder and more important. I hope the market will force all > > China Soc company more open. But before that happen, I don't think they > > will become more open. > > They don't have experience in working with the open source community, if > you want > > them to be more open, you need to do more communicate with them. And > > remember, to them, neither the law nor the spirit of free software, but > making > > money is paramount. Tell them they will get more customers, make more > money > > and prove it, then they will follow. > > > > 在 2014年10月11日星期六UTC+8下午10时53分48秒，Jon Smirl写道： > > > > > > On Sat, Oct 11, 2014 at 10:31 AM, jacky lau <i90...@gmail.com > > > <javascript:>> wrote: > > > > A big client will buy thousands of chips once. Are there any > relation > > > > between big client and user manual publishing? No. So they don't > think > > > it's > > > > necessary to open their private property. When you are a big client, > you > > > are > > > > VIP, all document and source code is open to you. And if publish all > > > > technical documentation, competitors will know some technical secret > > > (e.g. > > > > bug;) they don't want them to know. > > > > Open world is beautiful, but they will not actively participate if > there > > > is > > > > no return. Why some China soc company publish some documents and > source > > > code > > > > now? I think this is mainly for marketing. But no matter how, VIP > > > priority. > > > > > > Right now Allwinner is only good for tablets and STBs because > > > Allwinner supplies turnkey solutions. If documentation were more open > > > other applications could be developed. If customer can't get software > > > working for these other applications, they won't buy thousands of > > > chips. So if Allwinner wants to survive past the end of the tablet fad > > > they have to start developing these other markets. Otherwise when the > > > tablet fad is over it will be the end of Allwinner. > > > > > > You also over estimate the value of "technical secrets". What is the > > > point of putting a secret h.264 encode/decode unit on the chip if half > > > of your customers can't get it working? Obviously Rockchip knows how > > > to make h.264 encode/decode since they have a similar unit on their > > > chip. And so does Freescale, TI, ST, etc. -- there is no big secret in > > > making h.264 hardware for people familiar with how to do it (hint, it > > > is an ISO standard). So by keeping the documentation secret you hide > > > nothing significant from your competitors and much, much worse -- you > > > keep your own customers from using the hardware they bought. Think > > > about it --- which is more important - hiding something form a > > > competitor that they probably already know, or getting your customers > > > to ship and buy more chips? > > > > > > Bottom line - which one brings cash in the door - secret documentation > > > or getting as many customers as possible to ship? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 在 2014年10月6日星期一UTC+8下午8时55分30秒，RFat写道： > > > >> > > > >> Hi Kevin, > > > >> > > > >> Publishing the user manuals will certainly increase Allwinner's > chips > > > >> popularity. > > > >> > > > >> I was wondering if there is a rough estimate as to when the A80's > > > manual > > > >> will be made available? > > > >> > > > >> Thanks! > > > >> Raanan > > > >> > > > >> On Monday, September 29, 2014 12:46:53 PM UTC+3, > > > ke...@allwinnertech.com > > > >> wrote: > > > >>> > > > >>> Hi All, > > > >>> > > > >>> I have put the documents on github, and the url is > > > >>> https://github.com/allwinner-zh/documents.git > > > >>> Thanks Simos, Henrik and Luc's suggestion. And other documents > will be > > > >>> upated to here when released. > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> ________________________________ > > > >>> Best Regards, > > > >>> kevin.z.m > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> From: HenrikNordström > > > >>> Date: 2014-09-29 08:46 > > > >>> To: linux...@googlegroups.com > > > >>> CC: sh...@allwinnertech.com; Meng Zhang > > > >>> Subject: Re: [linux-sunxi] Allwinner documentation (hardware > > > datasheet, > > > >>> user manual) for A10, A10s, A13, A20, A31, A31s > > > >>> sön 2014-09-28 klockan 02:18 +0200 skrev Luc Verhaegen: > > > >>> > > > >>> > Why didn't someone from Allwinner send these documents in > > > him/herself? > > > >>> > > > >>> The current person discussion the matter with Allwiner was Simos, > who > > > is > > > >>> part of the linux-sunxi community. Allwinner sent current versions > of > > > >>> the documents to Simos for distribution in the community. What is > > > wrong? > > > >>> > > > >>> Mailing the full set of documents as attachments directly to the > > > >>> mailinglist is not appropriate. And for some strange and unknown > > > reason > > > >>> Allwinner do not appear to have a public document archive for this > > > kind > > > >>> of documents themselves, and seems to only distribute them via > email > > > to > > > >>> their customers when requested. > > > >>> > > > >>> The real question is why AW do not make the documents available in > > > >>> public themselves, and likewise why they do not have a public git > > > >>> repository for SDK sources etc (github or elsewhere). > > > >>> > > > >>> Regards > > > >>> Henrik > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> NOTICE: This e-mail and any included attachments are intended only > for > > > >>> the sole use of named and intended recipient (s) only. 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