Andrew and all,
Andrew Q. Kraft, MAIP, Executive Director wrote:
> Jeff,
>
> > FIrst of all how can you determine if a particular company has common
> > set of standards if there are no industry wide excepted set of standards to
> > judge any other companies set of standards?
>
> Because the AIP's ACAC Council is determining those standards. We've brought
> the top certification companies together, along with other major industry
> representation, to determine what is necessary for certification programs to
> include.
As have we some time ago now. None the less there are no excepted
set of standards in place today. None that are globally recognized or even
US nationally recognized that has any readily known or accepted
recognition. What is also not available on your site, nor can we find
any information after doing copious searches using several different
search engines, any reference to the criterion as to how and what
constitute such suggested standards as you mention AIP is or has
thus far developed. We will continue to search each of our affiliate
companies and organization to determine if any o the 400 odd,
have ever even heard of such standards for internet technology.
> Then we are accrediting programs. Programs are not forced to have
> our accreditation. It is AIP's seal of approval, based on a set of
> standards, vs. many other associations in other markets that allow
> accreditations/endorsements to be "bought".
Many companies and universities have attempted this in the past
in the data processing industry with quite mixed results. This is
especially true from a commercial industry standpoint. I seem to
recall Microsoft University and "Microsoft Certified" or "IBM Certification"
programs that have hence been either ignored or abandon due to
lack of continuity and good development of proper criteria by which
to base these supposed standards and "Certifications".
> We wanted a common set of
> standards for those accreditations/endorsements. And we've put together a
> forum where the certification industry can do that.
Interesting idea, but it has been attempted before and never got the
acknowledgment from the industry professionals and could not meet the
demand for technically competent people.
>
>
> > Second, I would refute that the AIP is the industries largest professional
> > organization. How many members does AIP have Andrew? INEGroup has
> > over 85,000 for instance.
>
> To my knowledge, INEGroup is not a 501c6 "professional association". Am I
> mistaken?
You are correct, however many of our affiliates and wholly owned
subsidiaries are as is the parrent organization.
> The term "professional association" is used in conjunction with
> the definition by the United States 501c6 designation (vs. educational
> associations which are 501c3, such as ISOC or the HTML Writers Guild). AIP
> has 8500 members.
I am well aware of the particular designations, thanks.
>
>
> > BTW this is the first I have seen any posting regarding any discussion group
> > list that your organization has been having. I also noticed that there are
> > NO archives for that list as well. Hence no public record.
>
> There are no archives for [EMAIL PROTECTED] as the list has
> just gone up in the past day or two. The web interface does include publicly
> accessible archives once the posts there begin.
Ahhhh! But yet you have a DNSO Draft proposal! Interesting. Was there
any participation by the "Interested Parties" as required in the White Paper
in an open and transparent manner for the development of this AIP
draft bylaws? I appears not. So as such, like the DNSO.ORG various
drafts, it cannot meet the requirements of the White Paper, and therefore
was developed in a CLOSED manner. It is therefore also a unaccountable
bylaws draft proposal.
>
>
> > I personally highly encourage others to investigate this AIP bunch
> > very closely themselves as well as review the archives of the
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list at www.dnso.org for further background.
>
> Please do! I encourage any and all to ask any questions about the
> Association that you wish to. I'll be happy to answer.
Yes we have and shall continue to do so. However this post of yours,
is quite reveling as I believe I have pointed out quit clearly.
>
>
> Sincerely,
> Andrew Kraft
> --
> Andrew Q. Kraft, MAIP
> Executive Director, Association of Internet Professionals (AIP)
> Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Phone: 310-724-6589
> More Info: http://www.association.org/
>
> __________________________________________________
>
Regards,
--
Jeffrey A. Williams
CEO/DIR. Internet Network Eng/SR. Java/CORBA Development Eng.
Information Network Eng. Group. INEG. INC.
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