Saturday, July 17, 1999, 9:56:26 PM, Kent Crispin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I appologize to all for even answering this, but accusations of blatant
> lying are a bit much here, given the facts...
> On Sat, Jul 17, 1999 at 08:12:51PM -0700, William X. Walsh wrote:
>> Saturday, July 17, 1999, 7:32:34 PM, Dave Crocker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> [...]
>> > 4. By fiat removing a participant who never expressed any desire to be
>> > removed.
>>
>> NO ONE was EVER removed by anyone but themselves. NEVER. NOT ONCE.
>>
>> This is the most blatent lie you have perpetrated.
> I don't know how you can look at yourself in the mirror, William.
> Here is what Kevin Connolly wrote on the subject on June 15:
> ================================================================
And as was said at the time, the ONLY thing Kevin was removed from was
a LIST of founding members on the website. AT NO TIME WAS HE REMOVED
FROM THE IDNO LISTS. NEVER.
> Interestingly enough, I note that not only is it the case that there
> is no public archive of the list, but it is considered a crime
> punishable by ostracism to publish any part of the discussion
> to any other list without permission of the writer -- a convenient
> way for the organizers to hide what they say.
> On the face of it, Joop's IDNO does not meet the very standards of
> open transparent process that you all demand of ICANN.
This isn't Joop's IDNO. This is all of our's IDNO. As a matter of
fact, Joop is not even on the election for the Steering Committee, he
declined the nomination.
Get your facts right, and stop spreading lies and misinformation.
> Anyway, William made the following accusation:
> > This is the most blatent lie you have perpetrated.
> William speaks with forked tongue.
No, I don't. I speak from the facts, and I am not coloring them in
any way. You are, however, coloring them in the light that serves
your purpose. Where you EVER removed? Was there EVER EVEN A VOTE to
remove you? No, this was blocked by general consensus of a vast
majority of the IDNO.
> [...]
>>
>> And then why do you tell lies about them? The archives are open.
>> Read them people, don't take this person and Kent's word for it.
> Indeed, people, go read them. They are at
> http://www.democracy.org.nz/idno/archive.htm
> This is what I get:
> HTTP Error 404
> 404 Not Found
> The Web server cannot find the file or script you asked for. Please
> check the URL to ensure that the path is correct.
> Please contact the server's administrator if this problem persists.
Thank you for pointing that out, I'll forward this to the person in
charge of the lists, and look into getting it fixed.
>> Don't even take my word for it (though I am on the membership
>> committee). Read the archives. Join the list. See that indeed these
>> are nothing more than blatent lies made knowingly and with intent to
>> disrupt and discredit.
>>
>> The simple fact of the matter is that if Kent had submitted a
>> membership request with his domain name, he would of been on the
>> approved voters list and could of had a voice in this election. Same
>> with Kevin Connolly and Dave Crocker, and any other domain name holder
>> REGARDLESS of their position vis a vis ICANN. There is no "oath
>> against ICANN" in the IDNO, or rule that CORE supporters are not
>> welcome.
> There may be no rule. But if you are a CORE or ICANN supporter, you
> will drown in spit.
Kent, you know better, but lets go ahead and discuss the current
pDNS's attitude towards letting observers from non-recognized
constituencies on teleconferences.
Why does the non-recognized NCDNHC get to, and none of the others do?
Clean your own house, Kent, before you go off criticising another's.
The IDNO is operating in an OPEN manner, nothing has been done OUTSIDE
OF PUBLIC VIEW. NOTHING.
You have yet to refute ANY of the facts I laid out that showed you
were spreading lies and more lies.
You and Dave Crocker will learn that you will NOT get away with it
this time.
--
William X. Walsh
General Manager, DSo Internet Services
Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fax:(209) 671-7934
The Law is not your mommy or daddy to go crying
to every time you have something to whimper about.
