On Tue, 2011-03-22 at 12:27 -0400, Nathan Hamiel wrote:
> 
> Nobody is saying that an IDE makes a programmer good. Nobody said
> that. Tools are supposed to assist you in your job, make you more
> efficient, and potentially point out mistakes prior to code going in
> to production.

It can also be a like a radar detector on your dash. Which gives you a
false sense of security and can make one lazy.

> There are obviously processes in place that should also assist in
> these efforts. There should never just be one control in place, they
> should be layered.

Agreed either way, no matter what tools are being used.


> Security is one place where organizations tend to try this. They buy
> tools and try to give them to inexperienced people and because the
> tools are expensive they figure they can replace talent. Here we are
> talking about tools that cost 30,000 to 150,000 a pop. In the
> development world most IDEs aren't awfully expensive.

Very bad assumption to make. Considering Macromedia had a product called
Generator that sold for $30k back in the day to generate Flash server
side. No clue what its price would be now with inflation. Developer
edition was like $3k.

>  Eclipse, NetBeans, and others are free. KomodoIDE is like 265 which
> isn't bad for something I have to spend time in every day.

Ah but thats missing the bigger picture. There is a market place for
IDE's beyond the free ones we all know and/or use. There are actually
quite many intended for very specific purposes and rather expense per
seat. The same goes for compilers as well, there are non-free ones.
Depending on what OS you run, their might not be any free tools ;)

Just to give an idea, but there are more out there
http://www.pgroup.com/pricing/index.htm
http://software.intel.com/en-us/articles/buy-or-renew/

Horrible and only $12k
http://www.microsoft.com/visualstudio/en-us/products/2010-editions/ultimate

-- 
William L. Thomson Jr.
Obsidian-Studios, Inc.
http://www.obsidian-studios.com


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