On Tue, 2011-03-22 at 13:47 -0400, Nathan Hamiel wrote: > Netbeans is primarily Java, and will not be so great at anything else. > > > > Yes, but when support for something is announced I like to see how good that > support is. Netbeans used to only support Python through a 3rd party plugin, > which is now part of Netbeans. So I tested it and it sucked.
It just goes to show IDE's can not serve as general purpose tools like a text editor can. Thus many developers working with code will turn to the trusty tried and trued text editor of choice. Which if your lame like me, is nano :) > Not sure if that was a jab or not ;) I do "actual" programming in Python. You really can't. Anything you do with python will be wrapped around something written in a real language. I have never seen a codec or anything low level in Linux be written in python. Or even C++ for that matter, quite allot is in C. Most everything else calls and wraps that stuff, be it Java, Python, Perl, Ruby, etc. > I haven't had to go out of Python for the past few years which has been great. That says quite allot right there. I wonder how many of the applications you use as part of your operating system or otherwise were written in Python :) > However, my development focus is more on writing security tools and not so > much on other development areas. Even my GUI based development has been in > Python. Which again wraps around libraries written in likely C or C++ > I find I can do everything I need in Python and QT. Python has wrappers for QT, which is C++. Unless your coding in C++ using the QT library. Where as like GTK is C, unless you use GTKmm. Main difference between Gnome and KDE, once is written in C the other C++. No desktop for Linux is written in Python.... > Not to mention the ease of multiple platform support most of the stuff > I write has to work on Linux, OSX, and Windows. Thus the hard work has been done for you. Porting python to the various OS, which is done in a programming language. Which if python has security issues, will likely come from that layer. Your relying on others coders handling Python security at the lower levels. Anything your doing above even from a security perspective is leveraging others efforts. Its considerably harder to do security at lower levels with programming languages than it is at higher level with dynamic ones. > I am actually writing a Python book so I am obviously spending a lot of time > with Python lately. Which I am porting code from Python to C for Gentoo. Mostly to get better with C, but also for performance and other purposes. The security aspect will be a nightmare. After I wake up from the debugging nightmare :) > To answer your question about Java, C, and C++. I have > never done a lot of Java stuff, but when I did I used Eclipse. For C I used > Anjuta and for the .NET stuff I have had to do I obviously used VisualStudio > (Not a fan). Reason why I was asking is regarding build systems. At times you can integrate and use the IDE's build system as part of your project. But many times you go outside the idea to custom tailor your build environment. Working with ant or maven if Java. If C or C++ makefiles, configure/autogen scripts, etc. Even when using native tools like Anjuta, there is still much to be desired and left undone. I haven't really been able to turn to any one IDE and do everything for an application, from development to debugging to release, within the IDE. > Now there is some stuff I have done with IronPython where I had > to use IronPython Studio on top of Visual Studio and it wasn't that bad. > Microsoft Just released pytools Python for Visual Studio > http://pytools.codeplex.com/. I honestly haven't tried it yet, but probably > will at some point just to get a feel for how it is. Given the breakage between Python 2.x and 3.x I am avoiding it like the plague. Its not even ABI or API compliant, and the breakage there is just nasty. Thankfully when Java did similar things it did it in much friendly ways keeping legacy compliance in mind. -- William L. Thomson Jr. Obsidian-Studios, Inc. http://www.obsidian-studios.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- Archive http://marc.info/?l=jaxlug-list&r=1&w=2 RSS Feed http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/maillist.xml Unsubscribe [email protected]
