Silverlight 3.0 - hm ... this seems so far away right now :), but anyway here is my list:
1. We have seen Silverlight2 being more like WPF now, but there is a lot more to be done in this direction. I want to be able to write on Silverlight "*rich enough*" apps so it makes sense to re-use the code in WPF. If I have to say a single thing for the 3.0 version - this is it. Just bring the powerfull WPF concepts in Silverlight :) 2. RichText/Html support - we really need this, so the sooner we have it - better. You can not build RIA without rich text support, right? :) 3. +1 on offline support. Thanks! Valentin Stoychev Telerik On Mon, Mar 31, 2008 at 9:55 AM, Scott Barnes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Ahh ok. Yes, the out of browser experience does play a role here (almost > sounds like an out of body experience). What we mean by Windows + WPF is > simply that when you look at Adobe AIR depth isn't it's strong point and you > won't read that in the brochure. To allow folks access to an operating > system in a much deeper capacity means that trust is somewhat sacrificed and > it's something that we balance quite carefully (obviously). To break out of > the security context of the browser is bad, as then it takes on a whole new > meaning of the words "I dare you to make Silverlight a Trojan virus". I > suspect that's why Adobe AIR was spun up away from Flash Player – as even > Flash right now is facing some security issues ( > http://blog.digitalbackcountry.com/?p=1359 – in that being popular and > secure is hard work). > > > > To consider a x-platform mutation of Silverlight/WPF is different > discussion and one that has both pro's and con's associated to it. What I > can say is that providing deep access via Silverlight to the metal isn't > likely to occur anytime soon. WPF however obviously has this capability – > today - and well it's installed on more machines right now than Adobe AIR > (Vista on OSX included – so it's semi-X-platform heh). > > > > Windows XP is being depreciated and Windows Vista + Future Operating > Systems will eventually take its place and that's something to consider > long-term. > > > > > > > > > > *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *Craig Dunn > *Sent:* Monday, 31 March 2008 4:30 PM > > *To:* listserver@ozsilverlight.com > *Subject:* Re: [OzSilverlight] Silverlight 3.0 wishlist, now's your > chance. > > > > Seems to me that AIR is really just Adobe grabbing an open-source browser, > compiling with Flash and producing a host that can run directly on the OS... > just add your custom code and call it an "application". > > So basically I'm describing a Silverlight 'runtime' standalone/deployable > (ie .EXE or .APP, depending on your platform :) to produce a branded, > out-of-browser experience -- the main advantage (?) being offline use... I > believe Moonlight already does something of the sort - and i a;sp understand > it's non-trivial to create a 'host' for every platform. You don't "need" the > browser (although it makes sense for Adobe, because they can claim to > 'leverage your existing javascript & html skills') - just some sort of > loader/host with direct i/o & networking. maybe it starts to look too much > like J4va? or... WPF "everywhere" (lol) > > To put it in context - the > http://code.msdn.microsoft.com/msdnreader/ > and it's commercial NY Times/Seattle Intelligencer counterparts are WPF > _applications_ - very cool (i quite like the experience) but beyond a Mac > deployment, for example. > > With the increasing power of the controls in SL2 (+3), an offline reader > of that sort that could run on Mac (and s60/iPhone, while we're at it) in > Silverlight. Other apps might make sense too - but you (MS) may say "that's > what Windows is for"... > > cd > > On Mon, Mar 31, 2008 at 5:01 PM, Scott Barnes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > Craig, > > > > Great list! Question, you mentioned AIR / Outside browser activation. > Could you expand on this? > > > > *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *Craig Dunn > *Sent:* Monday, 31 March 2008 3:19 PM > > > *To:* listserver@ozsilverlight.com > *Subject:* Re: [OzSilverlight] Silverlight 3.0 wishlist, now's your > chance. > > > > In the interests of lifting the signal-to-noise ratio (at the very least > starting a flamewar on something relevant), my thoughts on SL3 (just OTTOMH, > OK?): > > * SQL engine in the isolated storage (ala Gears). OK with Linq and > serialization there is probably an equivalent amount of querying/storage > functionality, but just maybe this would still be useful? Even as i type it, > it sounds less interesting... > > * Geography CLR types from Katmai. Mapping and location-based apps are > only going to get more common - and the Katmai types are pretty functional > even on their own (ie without SQL08 'behind them'). Assuming a SL2 > VirtualEarth 'control' appears (and even if it doesn't), being able to > perform geo stuff might be useful on the client. While you're at it - > decouple them from Katmai altogether and put in the regular framework. Linq > to LatLong...? > > * Photosynth (and 3D engine)... OK, I reckon it'll be there anyway, but > worth a mention. AFAICT taking DeepZoom to the "next level" will require > some sort of 3D engine to layout the MultiScaleImages that make up a > Photosynth scene in 3D space anyway. 3D plus the Geography stuff would > enable a cool 'silverlightearth' viewer... > > * Higher level controls (either from MS or 3rd parties in SL2)... bitmap > image manipulation, Xaml editor host (ie abstract object-based-drawing > control), advanced TextBox. See buzzword.com, photoshop.com/express, > blist.com for the sorts of Flash apps that would be cool to enable in SL3. > Extend the controlset to toolbars, provide 'windowing' of property sheets, > pinnable 'windows', etc inside the SL control/canvas. A 'window' control may > sound counter-intuitive, but then why write the > docking/pinning/hiding/minimizing/tabbing over & over. We're already using > SL1 for an cut-down-enterprise-like app... > > * Outside of browser activation - just because AIR does. Input handling > would need to trap mouse-wheel; how about multitouch (Silverlight on > Surface? iPhone?) > > * SL2/3 on mobile... i'm sure that's coming anyway too. Are there any > plans for special UI handling on phones - trapping the softkeys differently > on small-screen nokias for eg.? Are the built-in controls 'screen size > aware' (like the old mobile asp.net controls... not that i think that's > necessarily a good idea, but would save us work if the calendar control > behaved differently on Vista versus s60, for eg.). > > * file format handlers (like the vista preview handlers) - show me PDF, > OOXML, XPS, etc read-only but searchable/selectable (if the underlying doc > security allows)... handle _files_ as well as it does _media_. > > * i've seen discussion of an up/downsizer where you deploy a common Xaml > 'app' to WPF/Silverlight... not sure how realistic that is - but Acropolis > and Entity Framework (and MVC?) seem like a good basis for separating > presentation from logic enough to accomplish it... > > There's probably plenty of DLR ideas around too - haven't had a chance to > play with that. I would have said unit testing & more 'software engineering' > infrastructure if i didn't recently see the tests, etc for the controls > being made available. _that_ is cool. > > ...my 2c worth ;-) > > cd > http://www.conceptdevelopment.net > > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > OzSilverlight.com - to unsubscribe from this list, send a message back to > the list with 'unsubscribe' as the subject. > Powered by mailenable.com - List managed by www.readify.net > > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > OzSilverlight.com - to unsubscribe from this list, send a message back to > the list with 'unsubscribe' as the subject. > Powered by mailenable.com - List managed by www.readify.net > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > OzSilverlight.com - to unsubscribe from this list, send a message back to > the list with 'unsubscribe' as the subject. > Powered by mailenable.com - List managed by www.readify.net > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > OzSilverlight.com - to unsubscribe from this list, send a message back to > the list with 'unsubscribe' as the subject. > Powered by mailenable.com - List managed by www.readify.net > ------------------------------------------------------------------- OzSilverlight.com - to unsubscribe from this list, send a message back to the list with 'unsubscribe' as the subject. 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