Prezi is indeed pretty rad. Patrick, please reply and explain more about the zebra and paths. I have not looked closely enough.
I think that *when* a zoomable user interface becomes a priority that some aspects of Lively ought to change. Drag to pan by default. Lasso selection via contexual menu instead. (Keep usual single selection behavior.) Double-click a morph to zoom to fit (similar to opening a window from an icon). Viewports (scrollable viewports) should instead be views to subworlds. Etc. But we need some drawings and need to consider "subtlety" for a zoomable user interface. Thanks for writing Patrick. If you are willing to draw mockups for Lively I need you. http://tinyurl.com/lively-mockups/ If you want to code, the project needs you: talk to Dan, Jens, or Robert. Peace, Philip On Wed, Jun 30, 2010 at 10:54 PM, Patrick Shouse <[email protected]>wrote: > This description of a Phooey reminds me of Prezi: http://prezi.com. Some > concepts from Prezi like the zebra and paths might be useful in Lively > Kernel. > > > On Wed, Jun 30, 2010 at 11:12 PM, Philip Weaver <[email protected]>wrote: > >> Hello Richard, >> >> In April you wrote: "What would it take to make it easy to construct and >> navigate such a zoom world in Lively Kernel?" >> >> I hope you can spend some time to answer this question with a drawing: >> >> - >> >> http://docs.google.com/Doc?docid=0AYWzJ6ByFTvFZGhqNmI2cGhfMjc5Z2Q3cjlrZ2Y&hl=en >> - http://www.lively-kernel.org/repository/lively-wiki/index.xhtml >> >> Thanks, >> Philip Weaver >> >> On Sun, Apr 11, 2010 at 1:08 PM, Richard Karpinski < >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Hello Dan and everybody, >>> >>> Smalltalk is wonderful. Making it work in virtually every browser by >>> coding the base system in Javascript is very clever and could be marvelously >>> useful. Enriching the current code to make Lively Kernel suitable for >>> awesome presentations well beyond what PowerPoint could dream of has much >>> appeal for me. I love neat things that are useful and can be acquired >>> inexpensively in money and time. When such things have unbounded utility, >>> Pavlov sets in and I slather and drool. Keep it up, man. I don't mind that >>> my shirt gets wet. >>> >>> But wait. How long does it take for someone to be comfortable navigating >>> around in a Lively Kernel world? >>> >>> I'm sure it's not one of those things that takes weeks to get into, but I >>> worry that it might take an hour or two. What I want is a system that >>> computer experts can become competent with in only a few minutes. It would >>> be truly great if novices could get there even faster. But who knows how to >>> build such a system? >>> >>> Today, I think no one knows how to do that. However, the late Jef Raskin, >>> father of the Macintosh and author of "The Humane Interface", did. Given a >>> charter to assist in getting around in a patient's chart which was >>> impossible to read when fully displayed and awkward to navigate when >>> magnified to be readable, Jef used zooming to good effect. He wanted to call >>> it a Flying User Interface, not only because he liked flying and it felt >>> like that, but especially so he could call it (phonetically) a Phooey. He >>> was like that. >>> >>> Anyway, he discussed the system in his book, but he left out some >>> details. When computer experts were trained to use the system. they became >>> comfortable and competent in less than TWO minutes. But when utter novices, >>> who maybe recognized the mouse as a thing to push around, not speak into as >>> Scotty did, they became fully functional with the system in less than ONE >>> minute. >>> >>> I really like that. I want that. With such a system I could teach a three >>> year old to use it, or a 93 year old, or even a college professor. I am NOT >>> kidding, the first and second examples may have time to spare, but the prof >>> does not. >>> >>> Why does it work so well? My theory is that for tens of millions of >>> years, our ancestors made it back to the nest, or we would not be here >>> today. Thus the talent for geographic navigation is built into our DNA. We >>> do not forget where the fridge is or where the couch is. Often we can get to >>> such places in the dark. If our computer world is so arranged, people won't >>> get lost so often. If we can follow links by rolling into a thumbnail and >>> can return by recrossing that border it will seem natural to us. >>> >>> What would it take to make it easy to construct and navigate such a zoom >>> world in Lively Kernel? >>> >>> Richard >>> >>> -- >>> Richard Karpinski, Nitpicker extraordinaire >>> >>> 148 Sequoia Circle, >>> Santa Rosa, CA 95401 >>> Home: 707-546-6760 >>> http://nitpicker.pbwiki.com/ >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> lively-kernel mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> http://lists.hpi.uni-potsdam.de/listinfo/lively-kernel >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> lively-kernel mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://lists.hpi.uni-potsdam.de/listinfo/lively-kernel >> >> >
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