Hi Philip and Richard,

apropos Zooming: we build in Mac like simple zooming a while ago....

http://www.lively-kernel.org/repository/lively-wiki/documentation/Zooming.xhtml

Best,

Jens

Am 01.07.10 05:12, schrieb Philip Weaver:
Hello Richard,

In April you wrote: "What would it take to make it easy to construct and navigate such a zoom world in Lively Kernel?"

I hope you can spend some time to answer this question with a drawing:

    * 
http://docs.google.com/Doc?docid=0AYWzJ6ByFTvFZGhqNmI2cGhfMjc5Z2Q3cjlrZ2Y&hl=en
      
<http://docs.google.com/Doc?docid=0AYWzJ6ByFTvFZGhqNmI2cGhfMjc5Z2Q3cjlrZ2Y&hl=en>
    * http://www.lively-kernel.org/repository/lively-wiki/index.xhtml

Thanks,
Philip Weaver

On Sun, Apr 11, 2010 at 1:08 PM, Richard Karpinski <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:

    Hello Dan and everybody,

    Smalltalk is wonderful. Making it work in virtually every browser
    by coding the base system in Javascript is very clever and could
    be marvelously useful. Enriching the current code to make Lively
    Kernel suitable for awesome presentations well beyond what
    PowerPoint could dream of has much appeal for me. I love neat
    things that are useful and can be acquired inexpensively in money
    and time. When such things have unbounded utility, Pavlov sets in
    and I slather and drool. Keep it up, man. I don't mind that my
    shirt gets wet.

    But wait. How long does it take for someone to be comfortable
    navigating around in a Lively Kernel world?

    I'm sure it's not one of those things that takes weeks to get
    into, but I worry that it might take an hour or two. What I want
    is a system that computer experts can become competent with in
    only a few minutes. It would be truly great if novices could get
    there even faster. But who knows how to build such a system?

    Today, I think no one knows how to do that. However, the late Jef
    Raskin, father of the Macintosh and author of "The Humane
    Interface", did. Given a charter to assist in getting around in a
    patient's chart which was impossible to read when fully displayed
    and awkward to navigate when magnified to be readable, Jef used
    zooming to good effect. He wanted to call it a Flying User
    Interface, not only because he liked flying and it felt like that,
    but especially so he could call it (phonetically) a Phooey. He was
    like that.

    Anyway, he discussed the system in his book, but he left out some
    details. When computer experts were trained to use the system.
    they became comfortable and competent in less than TWO minutes.
    But when utter novices, who maybe recognized the mouse as a thing
    to push around, not speak into as Scotty did, they became fully
    functional with the system in less than ONE minute.

    I really like that. I want that. With such a system I could teach
    a three year old to use it, or a 93 year old, or even a college
    professor. I am NOT kidding, the first and second examples may
    have time to spare, but the prof does not.

    Why does it work so well? My theory is that for tens of millions
    of years, our ancestors made it back to the nest, or we would not
    be here today. Thus the talent for geographic navigation is built
    into our DNA. We do not forget where the fridge is or where the
    couch is. Often we can get to such places in the dark. If our
    computer world is so arranged, people won't get lost so often. If
    we can follow links by rolling into a thumbnail and can return by
    recrossing that border it will seem natural to us.

    What would it take to make it easy to construct and navigate such
    a zoom world in Lively Kernel?

    Richard

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