I do read your journals every week or so since April. I hope everyone at HPI will post to this list about your recent accomplishments.
Zooming in Lively would need more structure to not be cumbersome - e.g. double-click a morph to zoom to fit, to drill in. Be able to zoom to any morph from a columnar system browser. But this means that pickup on mouse down is done / over with / dead / finished, I want single-click "pick up" to go away - it is often just very annoying. Keep the auto-grouping, auto-parenting. I personally think that a polished environment and IDE and more important than zooming. But a zooming mockup still needs to be drawn. Don't discuss - don't code - please draw. A picture is worth a thousand words. If no one is exploring any degree of funding to help propel this project or derivatives then that is a great tragedy. Philip On Thu, Jul 1, 2010 at 4:00 AM, Jens Lincke <[email protected]>wrote: > Hi Philip and Richard, > > apropos Zooming: we build in Mac like simple zooming a while ago.... > > > http://www.lively-kernel.org/repository/lively-wiki/documentation/Zooming.xhtml > > Best, > > Jens > > Am 01.07.10 05:12, schrieb Philip Weaver: > > Hello Richard, > > In April you wrote: "What would it take to make it easy to construct and > navigate such a zoom world in Lively Kernel?" > > I hope you can spend some time to answer this question with a drawing: > > - > > http://docs.google.com/Doc?docid=0AYWzJ6ByFTvFZGhqNmI2cGhfMjc5Z2Q3cjlrZ2Y&hl=en > - http://www.lively-kernel.org/repository/lively-wiki/index.xhtml > > Thanks, > Philip Weaver > > On Sun, Apr 11, 2010 at 1:08 PM, Richard Karpinski < > [email protected]> wrote: > >> Hello Dan and everybody, >> >> Smalltalk is wonderful. Making it work in virtually every browser by >> coding the base system in Javascript is very clever and could be marvelously >> useful. Enriching the current code to make Lively Kernel suitable for >> awesome presentations well beyond what PowerPoint could dream of has much >> appeal for me. I love neat things that are useful and can be acquired >> inexpensively in money and time. When such things have unbounded utility, >> Pavlov sets in and I slather and drool. Keep it up, man. I don't mind that >> my shirt gets wet. >> >> But wait. How long does it take for someone to be comfortable navigating >> around in a Lively Kernel world? >> >> I'm sure it's not one of those things that takes weeks to get into, but >> I worry that it might take an hour or two. What I want is a system that >> computer experts can become competent with in only a few minutes. It would >> be truly great if novices could get there even faster. But who knows how to >> build such a system? >> >> Today, I think no one knows how to do that. However, the late Jef >> Raskin, father of the Macintosh and author of "The Humane Interface", did. >> Given a charter to assist in getting around in a patient's chart which was >> impossible to read when fully displayed and awkward to navigate when >> magnified to be readable, Jef used zooming to good effect. He wanted to call >> it a Flying User Interface, not only because he liked flying and it felt >> like that, but especially so he could call it (phonetically) a Phooey. He >> was like that. >> >> Anyway, he discussed the system in his book, but he left out some >> details. When computer experts were trained to use the system. they became >> comfortable and competent in less than TWO minutes. But when utter novices, >> who maybe recognized the mouse as a thing to push around, not speak into as >> Scotty did, they became fully functional with the system in less than ONE >> minute. >> >> I really like that. I want that. With such a system I could teach a >> three year old to use it, or a 93 year old, or even a college professor. I >> am NOT kidding, the first and second examples may have time to spare, but >> the prof does not. >> >> Why does it work so well? My theory is that for tens of millions of >> years, our ancestors made it back to the nest, or we would not be here >> today. Thus the talent for geographic navigation is built into our DNA. We >> do not forget where the fridge is or where the couch is. Often we can get to >> such places in the dark. If our computer world is so arranged, people won't >> get lost so often. If we can follow links by rolling into a thumbnail and >> can return by recrossing that border it will seem natural to us. >> >> What would it take to make it easy to construct and navigate such a zoom >> world in Lively Kernel? >> >> Richard >> >> -- >> Richard Karpinski, Nitpicker extraordinaire >> >> 148 Sequoia Circle, >> Santa Rosa, CA 95401 >> Home: 707-546-6760 >> http://nitpicker.pbwiki.com/ >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> lively-kernel mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://lists.hpi.uni-potsdam.de/listinfo/lively-kernel >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > lively-kernel mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.hpi.uni-potsdam.de/listinfo/lively-kernel > >
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