Hello Richard, In April you wrote: "What would it take to make it easy to construct and navigate such a zoom world in Lively Kernel?"
I hope you can spend some time to answer this question with a drawing: - http://tinyurl.com/livey-mockups/ - http://www.lively-kernel.org/repository/lively-wiki/index.xhtml Thanks, Philip Weaver On Wed, Jun 30, 2010 at 11:16 PM, Philip Weaver <[email protected]> wrote: > Prezi is indeed pretty rad. Patrick, please reply and explain more about > the zebra and paths. I have not looked closely enough. > > I think that *when* a zoomable user interface becomes a priority that some > aspects of Lively ought to change. Drag to pan by default. Lasso selection > via contexual menu instead. (Keep usual single selection behavior.) > Double-click a morph to zoom to fit (similar to opening a window from an > icon). Viewports (scrollable viewports) should instead be views to > subworlds. Etc. But we need some drawings and need to consider "subtlety" > for a zoomable user interface. > > Thanks for writing Patrick. If you are willing to draw mockups for Lively I > need you. http://tinyurl.com/lively-mockups/ If you want to code, the > project needs you: talk to Dan, Jens, or Robert. > > Peace, > Philip > > > On Wed, Jun 30, 2010 at 10:54 PM, Patrick Shouse <[email protected] > > wrote: > >> This description of a Phooey reminds me of Prezi: http://prezi.com. Some >> concepts from Prezi like the zebra and paths might be useful in Lively >> Kernel. >> >> >> On Wed, Jun 30, 2010 at 11:12 PM, Philip Weaver <[email protected]>wrote: >> >>> Hello Richard, >>> >>> In April you wrote: "What would it take to make it easy to construct and >>> navigate such a zoom world in Lively Kernel?" >>> >>> I hope you can spend some time to answer this question with a drawing: >>> >>> - >>> >>> http://docs.google.com/Doc?docid=0AYWzJ6ByFTvFZGhqNmI2cGhfMjc5Z2Q3cjlrZ2Y&hl=en >>> - http://www.lively-kernel.org/repository/lively-wiki/index.xhtml >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Philip Weaver >>> >>> On Sun, Apr 11, 2010 at 1:08 PM, Richard Karpinski < >>> [email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> Hello Dan and everybody, >>>> >>>> Smalltalk is wonderful. Making it work in virtually every browser by >>>> coding the base system in Javascript is very clever and could be >>>> marvelously >>>> useful. Enriching the current code to make Lively Kernel suitable for >>>> awesome presentations well beyond what PowerPoint could dream of has much >>>> appeal for me. I love neat things that are useful and can be acquired >>>> inexpensively in money and time. When such things have unbounded utility, >>>> Pavlov sets in and I slather and drool. Keep it up, man. I don't mind that >>>> my shirt gets wet. >>>> >>>> But wait. How long does it take for someone to be comfortable navigating >>>> around in a Lively Kernel world? >>>> >>>> I'm sure it's not one of those things that takes weeks to get into, but >>>> I worry that it might take an hour or two. What I want is a system that >>>> computer experts can become competent with in only a few minutes. It would >>>> be truly great if novices could get there even faster. But who knows how to >>>> build such a system? >>>> >>>> Today, I think no one knows how to do that. However, the late Jef >>>> Raskin, father of the Macintosh and author of "The Humane Interface", did. >>>> Given a charter to assist in getting around in a patient's chart which was >>>> impossible to read when fully displayed and awkward to navigate when >>>> magnified to be readable, Jef used zooming to good effect. He wanted to >>>> call >>>> it a Flying User Interface, not only because he liked flying and it felt >>>> like that, but especially so he could call it (phonetically) a Phooey. He >>>> was like that. >>>> >>>> Anyway, he discussed the system in his book, but he left out some >>>> details. When computer experts were trained to use the system. they became >>>> comfortable and competent in less than TWO minutes. But when utter novices, >>>> who maybe recognized the mouse as a thing to push around, not speak into as >>>> Scotty did, they became fully functional with the system in less than ONE >>>> minute. >>>> >>>> I really like that. I want that. With such a system I could teach a >>>> three year old to use it, or a 93 year old, or even a college professor. I >>>> am NOT kidding, the first and second examples may have time to spare, but >>>> the prof does not. >>>> >>>> Why does it work so well? My theory is that for tens of millions of >>>> years, our ancestors made it back to the nest, or we would not be here >>>> today. Thus the talent for geographic navigation is built into our DNA. We >>>> do not forget where the fridge is or where the couch is. Often we can get >>>> to >>>> such places in the dark. If our computer world is so arranged, people won't >>>> get lost so often. If we can follow links by rolling into a thumbnail and >>>> can return by recrossing that border it will seem natural to us. >>>> >>>> What would it take to make it easy to construct and navigate such a zoom >>>> world in Lively Kernel? >>>> >>>> Richard >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Richard Karpinski, Nitpicker extraordinaire >>>> >>>> 148 Sequoia Circle, >>>> Santa Rosa, CA 95401 >>>> Home: 707-546-6760 >>>> http://nitpicker.pbwiki.com/ >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> lively-kernel mailing list >>>> [email protected] >>>> http://lists.hpi.uni-potsdam.de/listinfo/lively-kernel >>>> >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> lively-kernel mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> http://lists.hpi.uni-potsdam.de/listinfo/lively-kernel >>> >>> >> >
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