Hi Jon, and the rest,

Very short intro about me: in the past I wrote (Dutch) books about LPI 1, 2 and Essentials. Never became millionaire. Still doing daily open source stuff for a living and still loving it.

I like the idea behind StartIT. I like to help develop it.I think it can help in the shortage of (open source) software development skills worldwide.

So I contacted the StartIT team and offered my help. Also because I wanted additional information.

In the end, the answers I got, untill it became silent, left me rather worried. Let me explain why:

 * I need to sign a contract to transfer all publishing rights to the LPI.
 * I would get paid to write a unit. Not that I mind that, it's just
   rather, well, new as far as I know the LPI.
 * There is a git repo in use but it seems to be only open to
   contributors  who signed this contract.
 * The final materials will be licensed with a  Creative Commons
   Attribution-NonCommercial-NoDerivatives 4.0 International License.
   The "NonCommercial-NoDerivatives" part makes me worry about this.
   Why not GPL, LGPL, FDL? Does this mean I can not give a StarIT
   training unless I pay the LPI? What is the goal?

So I hope somebody can explain to me what the plan is here, because I can't seem to find it online.

AFAIK the LPI is a non-profit foundation that publishes certification levels and receives income from exams. It has been that way for 20 years and I always thought this was an open source certification body that was in the highest regard worldwide.

So, to keep my rant(?) short, I am left with a few questions I hope somebody can answer publicly (on this list is fine):

 * Is the LPI transforming into a publishing house for educational
   materials? (please don't say it has always been a publishing house
   for exams. I know)
 * Is LPI moving away from its open source roots. And, if so, what is
   the direction?
 * Why is the repo with the development of the StartIT project
   closed/hidden/not-public/hidden-somewhere?

Really looking forward to any and all answers.

Kind regards,

Jeroen Baten

Op 12-08-2021 om 18:53 schreef Jon "maddog" Hall via lpi-examdev:
When I was teaching "Data Processing" ("Computer Science" had not been invented yet) we had a lot of students who "wanted to work with computers" and had no idea what a professional life was like in doing that.  They were attracted by advertisements on matchbook covers (yes, it was that long ago) that promised a good job, big house, fancy car.   In those days they had only seen computers on TV or in the movies.

They came into my class and found out that the computer was not going to think for them.  Two-thirds dropped out.

Today it is not quite as bad, but you still have a lot of "kids" that think computer science is writing a bit of HTML.

To answer the issue of Ottavio, our school normally used two years to teach an associate's degree in data processing.   We did have a separate one-year program called "Women in Technology" that was for women who had obtained a bachelor's degree in some engineering field, then took time off to raise a family, and now wanted to re-enter the field.   We acknowledged the education and skills they already had, but brought them up-to-date with new technologies and skills.  The program had a 98% placement rate.

I do not know what skills Octavio had as an "Open Source Evangelist", but Evan is right in saying that is mostly a Marketing Job.    Inside of Marketing there are positions for Marketing Communications (MARCOM) and often Technical Marketing.   The latter is the position I had when I met Linus Torvalds.   It was my job to take highly technical aspects of the products and explain their usefulness to customers, among other things.

If Octavio was a systems administrator AND an Open Source Evangelist, then the LPIC certifications are the fastest way for re-training and to re-enter the workforce.  If Octavio was a COBOL programmer, but wants to re-enter the workforce as a systems administrator, the path is a bit harder, but still a good path.  If Octavio was a programmer and wanted to re-enter programming, then there are paths for that too and probably the DevOPs Cert is a place to start.

In either case you are not starting from scratch, and do not let anyone tell you that you are.  You learned things from "your prior life" that may be very applicable even though it has been twenty years or more.

o Logic flow
o Data types
o Programming Constructs

I could go on for hours.

But you also have soft skills, very important to professionals.   How to work in a team, how to produce a piece of software on time.   How to determine the customers requirements.

All of these are also necessary for "professionalism", but sometimes as an "older person" you have to remind people of that.

Warmest regards,

Jon "maddog" Hall, Board Chair


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