Op 18-08-2021 om 12:00 schreef Ingo Wichmann:
Hi Jeroen,
are you aware of https://learning.lpi.org/en/ ?
Actually I wasn't.
I've committed to one small part of that documentation. And now it's
available under Creative Commons
Attribution-NonCommercial-NoDerivatives 4.0 International License
But I don't see any problem using it in our trainings.
I'm not aware that it will be any different with the material for
StartIT.
> * Is the LPI transforming into a publishing house for educational
> materials?
I'm very happy to see that LPI provides documentation for the
certifications it offers. I'm allowed to use it in my trainings. But
I'm not allowed to sell it.
So, you are allowed to use the material in training if you wish.
I am still struggling with the concept that you are not allowed to sell
it is a protection measure and not a limitation on usage in a training?
Clearly I'm not a legal person.
The NoDerivatives-Clause feels a bit strict, but not so far that I
think LPI is moving away from its open source roots.
Yes, I see that. But at the same time you don't want to encourage forks
of the contents all over the place I guess.
So this probably works as long as the maintainers are responsive to
error reports and/or other feedback.
Ingo
Am 18.08.21 um 11:11 schrieb Jeroen Baten via lpi-examdev:
Hi Jon, and the rest,
Very short intro about me: in the past I wrote (Dutch) books about
LPI 1, 2 and Essentials. Never became millionaire. Still doing daily
open source stuff for a living and still loving it.
I like the idea behind StartIT. I like to help develop it.I think it
can help in the shortage of (open source) software development skills
worldwide.
So I contacted the StartIT team and offered my help. Also because I
wanted additional information.
In the end, the answers I got, untill it became silent, left me
rather worried. Let me explain why:
* I need to sign a contract to transfer all publishing rights to
the LPI.
* I would get paid to write a unit. Not that I mind that, it's just
rather, well, new as far as I know the LPI.
* There is a git repo in use but it seems to be only open to
contributors who signed this contract.
* The final materials will be licensed with a Creative Commons
Attribution-NonCommercial-NoDerivatives 4.0 International License.
The "NonCommercial-NoDerivatives" part makes me worry about this.
Why not GPL, LGPL, FDL? Does this mean I can not give a StarIT
training unless I pay the LPI? What is the goal?
So I hope somebody can explain to me what the plan is here, because I
can't seem to find it online.
AFAIK the LPI is a non-profit foundation that publishes certification
levels and receives income from exams. It has been that way for 20
years and I always thought this was an open source certification body
that was in the highest regard worldwide.
So, to keep my rant(?) short, I am left with a few questions I hope
somebody can answer publicly (on this list is fine):
* Is the LPI transforming into a publishing house for educational
materials? (please don't say it has always been a publishing house
for exams. I know)
* Is LPI moving away from its open source roots. And, if so, what is
the direction?
* Why is the repo with the development of the StartIT project
closed/hidden/not-public/hidden-somewhere?
Really looking forward to any and all answers.
Kind regards,
Jeroen Baten
Op 12-08-2021 om 18:53 schreef Jon "maddog" Hall via lpi-examdev:
When I was teaching "Data Processing" ("Computer Science" had not
been invented yet) we had a lot of students who "wanted to work with
computers" and had no idea what a professional life was like in
doing that. They were attracted by advertisements on matchbook
covers (yes, it was that long ago) that promised a good job, big
house, fancy car. In those days they had only seen computers on TV
or in the movies.
They came into my class and found out that the computer was not
going to think for them. Two-thirds dropped out.
Today it is not quite as bad, but you still have a lot of "kids"
that think computer science is writing a bit of HTML.
To answer the issue of Ottavio, our school normally used two years
to teach an associate's degree in data processing. We did have a
separate one-year program called "Women in Technology" that was for
women who had obtained a bachelor's degree in some engineering
field, then took time off to raise a family, and now wanted to
re-enter the field. We acknowledged the education and skills they
already had, but brought them up-to-date with new technologies and
skills. The program had a 98% placement rate.
I do not know what skills Octavio had as an "Open Source
Evangelist", but Evan is right in saying that is mostly a Marketing
Job. Inside of Marketing there are positions for Marketing
Communications (MARCOM) and often Technical Marketing. The latter
is the position I had when I met Linus Torvalds. It was my job to
take highly technical aspects of the products and explain their
usefulness to customers, among other things.
If Octavio was a systems administrator AND an Open Source
Evangelist, then the LPIC certifications are the fastest way for
re-training and to re-enter the workforce. If Octavio was a COBOL
programmer, but wants to re-enter the workforce as a systems
administrator, the path is a bit harder, but still a good path. If
Octavio was a programmer and wanted to re-enter programming, then
there are paths for that too and probably the DevOPs Cert is a place
to start.
In either case you are not starting from scratch, and do not let
anyone tell you that you are. You learned things from "your prior
life" that may be very applicable even though it has been twenty
years or more.
o Logic flow
o Data types
o Programming Constructs
I could go on for hours.
But you also have soft skills, very important to professionals.
How to work in a team, how to produce a piece of software on time.
How to determine the customers requirements.
All of these are also necessary for "professionalism", but sometimes
as an "older person" you have to remind people of that.
Warmest regards,
Jon "maddog" Hall, Board Chair
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