Robert –

The numbers are network-wide – not per node.
And no one has mentioned config as an issue in this thread – though no doubt 
some operators might have concerns in that area.

  Les


From: Robert Raszuk <rob...@raszuk.net>
Sent: Monday, January 10, 2022 4:30 PM
To: Les Ginsberg (ginsberg) <ginsb...@cisco.com>
Cc: Greg Mirsky <gregimir...@gmail.com>; Tony Li <tony...@tony.li>; Christian 
Hopps <cho...@chopps.org>; Aijun Wang <wangai...@tsinghua.org.cn>; Shraddha 
Hegde <shrad...@juniper.net>; Hannes Gredler <han...@gredler.at>; lsr 
<lsr@ietf.org>; Peter Psenak (ppsenak) <ppse...@cisco.com>
Subject: Re: [Lsr] BGP vs PUA/PULSE

Hi Les,

[LES:] Even a modest sized N = 100 (which is certainly not a high number) leads 
to 10000 BFD sessions. N= 500 => 250,000 sessions. Etc.

Are you doing N^2 ? Why ? All you need to keep in mind is number of those 
sessions per PE so in worst case (N-1) - here 99 and 499.

And as we already established, configuration is optional as you can use auto 
config.

Thx,
R.

[LES:] Nodes which can support thousands of BFD sessions are likely already 
using many BFD sessions for other purposes. In particular, fast detection of 
local failures is always going to be a priority – so if a node has thousands of 
neighbors – it will likely have thousands of single hop BFD sessions. Not to 
mention the plethora of other OAM uses cases being defined. And the 
network-wide traffic impact as these new BFD sessions are largely multi-hop. 
Are you really arguing that the introduction of many thousands of BFD sessions 
is something we should not be concerned about?
   Les

   Les
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