On 14 May 2002 15:21:24 -0500, "David South Jr" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Yup. That's why I removed Outlook Express from all of the systems in our
> office. We either use Netscape or Mozilla for all our e-mail. We use
> Lotus SmartSuite for our office suite. Really, the only MS I have on our
> system is the Windows operating system on the workstations.
GoodOnYa! Only one thing left to remove. :)
Seriously though- try out Galeon. MAN, it rocks. Simple, clean, adaptable to
Java and Flash, and it allows YOU the grace to disallow pop-ups/pop-unders and all
kinds of crap that WWW has become.
And if you're comfortable with Netscape and want to ditch those 2-hour 'mailbox
indexing' scenes, look for Sylpheed. Dumb name, great program. Again, light, simple,
with the power to allow you to filter mail, do both pop/imap/secure-imap/whatever and
no worries. I've been using it for most of a year and it's never crapped out on me
once.
Both of these fine tools are available at freshrpms.net, where I found APT.
Now, APT is a great tool. Start with Redhat 7.2, get the updates for popt and
rpm*, and install it like you ordinarily install RPMs. Then the fun begins.
The other day I took my 7.2 box, ripped out the cantankerous-but-beautiful Ximian
stuff with --nodeps and told APT to "dist-upgrade". It found the missing parts where
Ximian used to be, upgraded all the parts from a 7..3 mirror (which I had to specify)
and in about an hour I had the entire thing upgraded.
And when I found things I don't like or use (Tetex, emacs) I told APT to remove'em
and it found all the dependencies _before_ the rpms were removed, and before the
downloading began. This way, you're not stuck with some things busted while you try
to cruise the net for the rest of the upgrades.
No wonder the Debian people love it so much!
> > It's a zoo. And Linux is the only way outta that zoo. Stop the
> > madness.
>
> Yes. I think that is the point of switching :).
It's so bad (and I'm so burnt out on it) that people still ask me to come help
them on their legacy systems. I tell them my price rates, and they leave me alone:
"Fortune 500" companies: $500/hour
Other companies: $400/hour
Friends: $50/hour, no excuses.
Of course, anyone wanting to install Linux, gets it all for free. I like
installing stuff that doesn't evaporate into a puff of logic when I step out the door.
And what burns me the most is that many/most of the problems are those that support
follow-on work. No one buys just the OS anymore- it's McAffee/Norton, then later
CleanSweep, then one day they nuke the thing and start over. But this install I'm on
here started with RH 6.2, now I'm on 7.3, and I see no reason to ever go back to the
lesser species...it's just such a joke.
Sorry. As I age, the rants just come at me like turrettes.
> I never said we didn't have money, I just want to be careful where I
> spend it. This is about finding a balance between the needs of all my
> users. The CAD users are particularly hard to 'shop for.'
Well that's cool; I'm so used to the other mode of operation...spending $40 to fix
a $.02 washer. :)
> We have a budget of $25,000 for the hardware to make the switch. I will
> buy software where I find it necessary, but for the most part, we want
> open-source stuff.
Well, if you're gonna use CAD (whichever you select) I'd suggest standalone
machines...really. There's just so much network bandwidth that you can deal with, and
then things slow down. And once you turn a bridge section from isometric and not only
is it not smooth, but it inspires a run to the coffee machine, you'll see why I
suggest that. Just trying to be helpful; for any other application short of 3D stuff,
I'd be pushing LTSP with both hands- it's great. But things like screensavers will
eat your lunch.
> I am personally a silver member of the Mandrake Club. When we switch,
> the company will be a corporate member. I fill bug reports on the
> software I use on my Linux workstation. I will document the process of
> switching to Linux on our website. It receives 50,000 visitors a month.
> I will hopefully convince a few to try it.
Yeah, I can't really kick Mandrake much, I've switched back and forth several
times, but I keep coming back to Redhat. Even though there are less, cool-features be
default, I like the admin tools better. And, when something comes out for Mandrake,
you can still load it on Redhat, anyway. I love what they do with the desktop.
> If and when I find a solution to my CAD problem, I will write about it
> too. I am very grateful to the Linux community and this listserv.
Well, this is both the way it should be, and the way it'll always be from here on
out: communal 'fireside chats' with millions of people, each bringing something to the
table for assesment. No salesmen trying to change your mind so as to bump the
commission, just friends sharing their experience for the sake of 'keeping the tribe
safe'. Ain't it the best?
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