On Sun, Jan 29, 2006 at 11:17:37PM -1000, Jim Thompson wrote: > On Jan 29, 2006, at 10:23 PM, Matt Darnell wrote: > >>I really don't follow this. For the most part, people did not attend > >>because of the time of year, time of week, and time of day. Next > >>year > >>we will do this on Friday and Saturday. > > > >I hope changing the day makes a big difference. > > We've had some feedback. (I saw Scott ask people for it.) Here is > what I remember of it: > > 1) Don't count on people from off-island attending. I believe that > TPOSSCON has been 'marketed' as "come to Hawaii, enjoy the beach, > learn some great stuff, hang out with cool people". Based on what > I've seen over the last two years, and an earlier experience when the > IETF held a meeting in > Honolulu (1989), I don't believe that folks can "sell" their own > management on attending a technical conference in Hawaii.
Yes. Pat Sullivan of Oceanit and Hoana Medical has made some very astute and enlightening comments on this, and I have seen it over and over again in my technical career here. Our tourism industry has spent many millions of dollars a year over many decades to inculcate the image of Hawaii as a place that is carefree, where no serious work gets done. If most national executives and managers have any experience of Hawaii, they think of it as a place where they had a wonderful time on a honeymoon, or golfing on a luxurious vacation - this means they reflexively shy away from associating it with doing serious business. A story of my own: When I was with VeriFone and involved in setting up training for customers' application programmers (major national/international banks) 8 times out of 10, our customers' corporate management would not approve sending their programmers to Hawaii for training as it was automatically viewed as a junket. Sometimes when they did send someone, they'd send a non-progamming manager as a "reward", even though that was useless in helping them get their applications off the ground. We ultimately had to move the application training centers to the mainland. Eventually the company headquarters went too, for essentially the same reason. This is something we'd better just live with and plan around, because it will take decades to reverse it. If you want to work around it, it will have to be done on a case-by-case basis, using an extensive media campaign in national tech-oriented media to make the case that this is different. If you don't have a budget for that, then focus efforts on boosting local attendance. -- Clifton -- Clifton Royston -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] / [EMAIL PROTECTED] President - I and I Computing * http://www.iandicomputing.com/ Custom programming, network design, systems and network consulting services