Stan Baptista wrote:

this means they reflexively shy away from
associating it with doing serious business.

This definitely seems to be the case in Hawaii but
there's probably a bit more to it.  Vegas has a major
marketing campaign going on these days about "what
happens in Vegas stays in Vegas".  Exactly which part
of that is about "serious" business?  And yet major
business conventions, tech and otherwise, are held in
Vegas on a regular basis year after year (Comdex
anyone?).
Comdex, CES and to some extent NAB are all in Vegas because noplace else could 'hold' them.

Things have changed since 9/11 and the dot-com crash, but as of Y2K, the above was an absolutely true statement, and had been for several years.

Also, the hotels in Vegas have a "business model" that doesn't require the "rake" from just room rate + F&B.

Same is true about the theme parks in Orlando (Disney,
Epcot, Universal...).  Lot's of fun in the sun there
but it really doesn't stop "serious business" in the
form of conventions from ocurring regularly.

The dirty little secret about conventions is that
there is _always_ a junket aspect to them and it
doesn't matter whether you're in Minnesota in January
or the Bahamas (or Hawaii).
This is also true, but there is a serious "perception" that Hawaii is all about going to the beach. I still have people assume that, because I've moved to Hawaii, I must have gotten rich at one of the dot-bombs Jamie or I worked for, bought beachfront property and dropped out of the rat race.

I wish.

It's serious business but not business as usual or
ordinary, just different (it's about networking and
taking a break from the rat race that you usually deal
with in Oshkosh or wherever, and refreshing yourself
with new ideas).

In the case of Hawaii, I wonder if it's also about
cost and perception as much as anything else (i.e.,
it's expensive to fly those extra 3K miles from the
left coast and Hawaii simply isn't regared as a
significant tech area).
The two coasts have large 'tech' populations, and its cheap to fly them from Seattle to San Jose or Boston to Orlando.

The tech population in Hawaii is in the error margin. (Many of us would like to, or think its importat to change this.)

As a result you have to import *everything* to hold a big convention here.

I still think that Hawaii's 'tourist' industry is in big trouble (and Hawaii with it) if energy costs continue to climb, making travel more expensive (on top of everything "at home" more expesive, both for the toursts who won't be coming here (perhaps "as often") as well as Hawaii's residents (since we import nearly 100% of what we "consume' here in Hawaii.)

Without the tourists, the big timeshare projects (such as Ko'olina) will shut down. The real estate market is already getting soft, while the Fed is expected to raise the prime rate for the 14th time tomorrow, likely further impacting the real estate market.

The segment of our economy that is based on land development and the housing bubbles may soon be finished. We are going to have to make other arrangements for running our state and employing all the people who are currently enjoying the 'trickle down' of all the housing turns and construction.

What happens to Hawaii if (I should say 'when', but I'm in a gentle mood) gas goes to $5/gallon, with conmesurate cost increases in our food (guess what, its almost all imported from 3,000 miles away?), and electricity? I'll stay well away from any predictions of "collapse" here, but in simple terms, the dollars that are spent on higher gas prices, higher electricity bills and higher totals in the check-out line at Safeway and Foodland will simply be unavailable for other things.

If tourism falls off by half (because the prices will go up on the mainland and in Japan as well), then the tax base will contract. There will be layoffs as marginal resturants and other portions of the tourism industry closer to the 'edge' close, and other, healthier tourism-based businesses shed workers who are unnecessary because of the reduced load of tourism, or simply to make ends meet when there is less gross income for those buinesses.

As the tax base contracts, there will be fewer dollars available for C&C and the state to spend on things like roads and education. Hawaii is already in fairly poor shape on both of these fronts (I won't mention the water or sewage systems other than in-passing.)

So how do we replace those dollars? Hawaii is "geographicly undesirable" for a manufacturing business. We don't have the cheap labor market that India, Taiwan or

I saw a posting for an embedded linux / software engineer in Portland, OR today. They were offering $12/hr for 20 hours/week. It was contact, so no 'bennies', and they were promising a raise to $15/hr when they get funding (unlikely in my view). So if putting gas in your car is twice as expensive, and keeping the lights on is twice as expensive, and your food costs 20% - 30% more than it does today (lets say its twice as expensive to transport, and that currently we pay about a 20% 'premium' over west coast food prices due to the shipping, so doubling the energy costs would be at least another 20%, never mind the higher energy bills endured by Foodland.)

What does this mean for you, the gentle reader of this LUAU list?

It means that teachers are going to have a harder time surviving. Some will flee our state, not that things will be much better elsewhere. The union(s) will demand COLA-based raises, putting further pressure on the DOE and businesses (such, as, incidentally, airlines and hotels). The current round of computer upgrades are likely the last for a long, long time. (And the DOE may want to power them down when they're not in-use, something that makes an XP box more cranky than its linux-terminal based alternative, if only that its more difficult to adminster a box that isn't powered up.)

But, all that aside, there will be (far) fewer dollars to spend on IT. Existing infrastructure will be recycled and renewed. "Doing more with less" will be the new order of the day. Companies such as Dell and HP are going to have an even more difficult time not only operating on U.S. soil, but their margins will continue to become thinner. (Co-incidentally Dell just opened its *third* India-base call center and is looking for land on which to build a factory.) Companies that mainly target the home market, such as Gateway, will likely go out of business.

Add to all that the simple fact that Senator Akaka was born in 1924, and has been in the Senate since 1990, while Senator Inouye, who was also born in 1924, has been in the Senate since 1963. Both men will be 82 years old in September, 2006. House Representative Neil Abercrombie turns 68 this year as well. How much longer do you think they'll continue to provide the seniority in Congress that profits Hawaii in so many ways? Ed Case is relatively young at a mere 54 in September, but Represenative Case has only been in the House since the end of 2002. Thats right, all that federal money will also start to decrease soon.

I think its not completly bleak. It will be easier to get along with with less electricity here. Small changes (such as turning off parasitic loads (nearly any electronic device you own that is "instant on"), and lights when they aren't in-use can have a big impact. Converting your water heater to solar can save about 20%. I predict a boom in solar installations in the next 2-3 years. You can read that as a business opportunity if you like.

VoIP will increase, and thats a place where many folks on the list can make a living. Matt isn't the only guy who will profit, as I'm sure he'll agree. If DUNDi succeeds, then you're not going to want (or need) a VoIP provider for most of your calls. That probably scares Matt, but there are opportunities exposed by understanding the potential for something like DUNDi or GNUP. (Yes Matt, even if it needs to be 'fixed' first. The nice thing about having a completely open standard and a GPLed implementation is that both can be changed by motivated people who understand the problems and how to fix them.)

But by and large, "more with less" is where FOSS shines. Windows (re-) licensing will become very expensive, and a lot of applications will either be transfered to run on WINE (or similar) or run in a Xen or VMware container while being quickly re-written for linux or freebsd on re-purposed hardware. Fewer sysadmins likely translates to more linux-based "terminals". More OpenLDAP, less "Active Directory". Lotus Notes and Exchange will both die for something that is far easier to manage and costs exactly $0.00 to purchase or license.

Does any of that sound familiar?

So friends, if you like to live here, and you like to eat, you might just want to get involved, if only out of self-interest. We can learn together how to do these things sllightly before they become increasingly important to the general population.

Or, we can continue this fun little flame war with all the back-channel ("Bcc:") email (more than four of you at last count), claim credit for ideas (falsely or not), position for "leadership", quit the list, quit the board, label people "arrogant" or "stupid" (or worse) and in general act like a group of monkeys trying to impregnate a football.

Or, I could be wrong about any or all of the above.

jim

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