Hi Lubuntu users, This link (posts #88 and #89) describes a new and polished version of the 9w installer and the compressed image files available
http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2209683&page=5&p=12957586#post12957586 There are updated compressed images with Phill's nonpae kernel. 1. An ultra-light text only system made from the Ubuntu Trusty beta 1 mini.iso dd_TrustyB1npae-text.img.xz This system runs for me in an IBM Thinkpad T42 with Pentium M with 80 MB RAM (set with the boot option mem=80M) 2. A very light Lubuntu Core system made from the Ubuntu Trusty beta 1 mini.iso dd_TrustyB1npae-LubuCore.img.xz This system is lighter than the previous 'Ltrusty' and runs with 128 MB RAM ... as shown by Doug S at the Ubuntu Forums: it runs but needs more RAM to do well while surfing the web :-P -o- Get the iso files and read the descriptions at http://phillw.net/isos/linux-tools/9w/ 1_Help-to-run-experimental_9w-installer.txt -> README.txt 1477443584 mar 15 13:45 9w_multi-install_trusty-n-saucy.iso 439461 mar 7 10:23 GrowIt.pdf 343 mar 14 20:39 login-n-password.txt 708837376 mar 15 13:22 LubuSaucy-pae2pm-4GB.iso 991 mar 15 14:22 md5sums.txt.asc 101211 mar 6 17:40 mkUSB-quick-start-manual.pdf 4421 mar 13 21:53 README.txt 660602880 mar 15 12:44 TrustyB1npae-LubuCore.iso 530579456 mar 15 08:49 TrustyB1npae-text.iso Welcome to test it and report your results in a real computer or in a virtual machine and at various levels of CPU horsepower and RAM size! Best regards Nio 2014-03-14 22:35, Nio Wiklund skrev: > Hi Phill, > > Yes I can. I'll test with standard Lubuntu 32-bit. > > I guess the priority list should be what is possible with the > > 1. desktop installer > > 2. alternate installer > > and the non-conventional alternatives can be tested with standard > Lubuntu and or Lubuntu Core > > 3. OBI (only booted from mass storage devices, typically USB pendrive) > > 4. 9w (booted from CD/DVD/USB drives) > > -o- > > I was not able to install Lubuntu Saucy with 128 MB RAM and any of the > conventional installers. The alternate or mini iso (netboot) installer > needed at least 160 MB. I could install with the OBI with 128 MB. I did > not try the OBI with less RAM. The text in that page is brief, and I > think it should state the limit for each installer. I expect that the > limits will be the same or slightly higher with Trusty. > > Best regards > Nio > > 2014-03-14 21:19, Phill Whiteside skrev: >> Hi Nio, >> >> can you ensure that https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu#System_Requirements >> is up to date. >> >> Regards, >> >> Phill. >> >> >> On 10 March 2014 01:46, Nio Wiklund <nio.wikl...@gmail.com >> <mailto:nio.wikl...@gmail.com>> wrote: >> >> Hi again! >> >> A couple of friends at the Ubuntu Forums have helped us find the low >> limit of hardware, when Lubuntu Saucy and Trusty can run (as installed >> with the 9w installer) >> >> See this link (posts #76-79) >> >> >> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2209683&page=4&p=12952191#post12952191 >> >> Doug S wrote { >> >> Ventrical @ 166 Mhz and 80 Megabytes is not enough. Me at 200 Mhz and >> 115 Megabytes right on the edge, and while installation was fine, >> operationally probably not enough. >> } >> >> Best regards >> Nio >> >> 2014-03-08 13:38, Nio Wiklund skrev: >> > [my text is at the end except the link] >> > >> > http://phillw.net/isos/linux-tools/9w/ >> > >> > >> > 2014-03-08 12:24, Ali Linx skrev: >> >> >> >> On 03/08/2014 01:30 AM, Nio Wiklund wrote: >> >>> 2014-03-07 01:53, Nio Wiklund skrev: >> >>>> Hi, >> >>>> >> >>>> We want to try a new kernel for Trusty Tahr, that is developed by >> >>>> PhillW. Many people help to build an Ubuntu based operating system >> >>>> around it, a system that should work on most computers (maybe >> except >> >>>> some of those brand new ones that cannot switch off UEFI). >> >>>> >> >>>> We have a wide variety of computers, but have not found any >> really old >> >>>> one without PAE capability. I'm not talking about Pentium M and >> Celeron >> >>>> M, I'm talking about CPUs before Pentium II: >> >>>> >> >>>> Pentium Pro, Pentium (i586), or Intel 486 or maybe the >> corresponding >> >>>> generation of AMD from 1993-1997. >> >>>> >> >>>> I have an old computer from 1998, and it has a Pentium II CPU >> at 400 >> >>>> MHz, so it must be older. Check for a clock frequency at or >> below 200 >> >>>> MHz. >> >>>> >> >>>> If you are a happy owner of such a jewel, please help us test >> that the >> >>>> non-pae kernel really works in a computer without PAE >> capability :-) >> >>>> >> >>>> Best regards >> >>>> Nio >> >>>> >> >>> Hi again, >> >>> >> >>> After some [private] replies offering tests on old enough >> hardware, I >> >>> can report the following results: >> >>> >> >>> You can try the installer (to find out if it boots and runs in >> text mode >> >>> with really low RAM). An older computer might need less RAM for >> drivers >> >>> than my IBM Thinkpad T42 with Pentium M CPU. >> >>> >> >>> *The Debian installer, live in an iso file* >> >>> >> >>> It starts in text mode and uses 18 MB RAM when idle (and 22 MB in a >> >>> newer computer with AMD Athlon dual core 4400+), but I have problems >> >>> below 64 MB, set with the boot option (text is default) >> >>> >> >>> mem=48M >> >>> >> >>> in an old IBM Thinkpad T42 with Pentium M CPU. >> >>> >> >>> it cannot unpack initramfs >> >>> >> >>> *Ubuntu Trusty installed system with Phill's non-pae kernel* >> >>> >> >>> The Ubuntu Trusty kernel needs more RAM, now after some >> >>> testing I would say at least 64 MB, but I have problems below 80 >> MB, set >> >>> with the boot options >> >>> >> >>> text mem=64M >> >>> >> >>> in the same old IBM Thinkpad T42 with Pentium M CPU. >> >>> >> >>> When idling >> >>> >> >>> free -m # shows 38 MB RAM used >> >>> htop # shows 39 MB RAM used >> >>> >> >>> but it seems more RAM is needed at some stage of the boot process. >> >>> >> >>> -o- >> >>> >> >>> The really old computers available so far have too low RAM, >> except one, >> >>> with a Pentium Pro at 200 Mhz. It has 128 Megabytes of memory. The >> >>> computer was purchased on 1996.08.31. But it has a PAE flag and >> should >> >>> be PAE capable. >> >>> >> >>> I'm starting to think, that most computers if not all, that are old >> >>> enough to lack PAE capability have too low RAM anyway for our >> new Ubuntu >> >>> flavour non-pae kernel. >> >>> >> >>> The outstanding exceptions are Celeron M and Pentium M, that >> lack the >> >>> PAE flag, but in most cases have PAE capability. >> >> >> >> Further to my previous reply: >> >> >> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/lubuntu-users/2014-March/006876.html >> >> >> >> I have forgotten to mention that on this thread: >> >> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1590614 >> >> >> >> I manged to install - trying again to save you the trouble to go >> through >> >> all the posts of that long thread - Linux on such super old >> machine (P2 >> >> with 64MB RAM and 4GB HDD) by: >> >> >> >> 1- Taking the HDD out - because the machine itself has nothing to be >> >> used to install Linux. >> >> 2- Plugged the HDD to another machine. >> >> 3- Linux installed - I wasted one month for this experiment >> because more >> >> than 50 different systems didn't work - check the thread. >> >> 4- Disconnected the HDD and put it back in. >> >> >> >> One month, ladies and gentlemen. Yes, I learned a lot and proved >> a lot >> >> but the real result wasn't helpful for a daily use. Why? because >> these >> >> machines can no longer serve while we are in 2014. >> >> >> >> I was shocked when I managed to connect to the Wireless Network and >> >> update the system. But that was the further I managed to go IIRC. >> >> >> >> See the thread if you wish: >> >> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1590614 >> >> >> >> If anyone still think I'm wrong, see the thread :) >> >> >> >> And first thing you do, check the date of that thread: October >> 8th, 2010 >> >> >> >>> Best regards >> >>> Nio >> >>> >> >> Thank you! >> >> >> > >> > Hi everybody :-) >> > >> > I see your points, I just want to explore things and find out myself. >> > >> > >> > *. 9w - an installer for old computers >> > >> > So I uploaded a directory with an experimental installer and two >> sample >> > systems to install. The installer is based on a Debian system with an >> > i486 kernel, and it can install any kind of [free] operating system. >> > There are two sample systems which expand to 4 GB >> > >> > Lubuntu Trusty non-pae built february 23 'Ltrusty-npae-feb23.iso' >> > Lubuntu Saucy PAE-for-Pentium-M 'LubuSaucy-pae2pm-4GB.iso' >> > >> > 9w comes as a hybrid ISO file, that works from CD/DVD and cloned from >> > USB. So it is simple to make install media for most old computers. >> > >> > See this link >> > >> > http://phillw.net/isos/linux-tools/9w/ >> > >> > >> > 1. What computer will run at all, will be able to do some 'real work', >> > etc? It might be worth the effort just for the sake of knowledge. >> > >> > >> > 2. What computers are the target for a non-pae Ubuntu kernel? >> > >> > With the new fix in Trusty, [almost all] Pentium M and Celeron M will >> > work with standard 32-bit kernel and the very simple tweak to add the >> > boot option 'forcepae'. >> > >> > If all pre-Pentium II computers are out of the question, how many >> > computers remain? For example: Are there motherboards, that are >> non-pae, >> > and are not helped by fake-PAE? Other problems? >> > >> > I'm thinking of Jörn's reply: >> > >> > -------- Ursprungligt meddelande -------- >> > Ämne: Re: have you got a really old computer >> > Datum: Fri, 7 Mar 2014 22:48:24 +0100 >> > Från: Joern <joern.schoen...@web.de <mailto:joern.schoen...@web.de>> >> > Till: Nio Wiklund <nio.wikl...@gmail.com >> <mailto:nio.wikl...@gmail.com>> >> > >> > There also some CPUs that aren't PAE capable but were likely shipped >> > with enough RAM, like some VIA ones, 1 or 2 versions of Pentium M with >> > 1.2 GHz and the Transmeta Crusoe. >> > >> > Jörn >> > -------- >> > >> > >> > 3. What computers are the target for ToriOS? >> > >> > - Is Pentium 4 and 512 MB RAM the low limit? >> > >> > >> > Best regards >> > Nio >> > >> >> >> >> >> -- >> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/phillw > -- Lubuntu-users mailing list Lubuntu-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/lubuntu-users
