I will test that, but on VB. Nice work!
Best Regards On 03/16/2014 05:29 PM, Nio Wiklund wrote: > Hi Lubuntu users, > > This link (posts #88 and #89) describes a new and polished version of > the 9w installer and the compressed image files available > > http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2209683&page=5&p=12957586#post12957586 > > There are updated compressed images with Phill's nonpae kernel. > > 1. An ultra-light text only system made from the Ubuntu Trusty beta 1 > mini.iso > > dd_TrustyB1npae-text.img.xz > > This system runs for me in an IBM Thinkpad T42 with Pentium M with 80 MB > RAM (set with the boot option mem=80M) > > 2. A very light Lubuntu Core system made from the Ubuntu Trusty beta 1 > mini.iso > > dd_TrustyB1npae-LubuCore.img.xz > > This system is lighter than the previous 'Ltrusty' and runs with 128 MB > RAM ... as shown by Doug S at the Ubuntu Forums: it runs but needs more > RAM to do well while surfing the web :-P > > -o- > > Get the iso files and read the descriptions at > > http://phillw.net/isos/linux-tools/9w/ > > 1_Help-to-run-experimental_9w-installer.txt -> README.txt > 1477443584 mar 15 13:45 9w_multi-install_trusty-n-saucy.iso > 439461 mar 7 10:23 GrowIt.pdf > 343 mar 14 20:39 login-n-password.txt > 708837376 mar 15 13:22 LubuSaucy-pae2pm-4GB.iso > 991 mar 15 14:22 md5sums.txt.asc > 101211 mar 6 17:40 mkUSB-quick-start-manual.pdf > 4421 mar 13 21:53 README.txt > 660602880 mar 15 12:44 TrustyB1npae-LubuCore.iso > 530579456 mar 15 08:49 TrustyB1npae-text.iso > > Welcome to test it and report your results in a real computer or in a > virtual machine and at various levels of CPU horsepower and RAM size! > > Best regards > Nio > > 2014-03-14 22:35, Nio Wiklund skrev: >> Hi Phill, >> >> Yes I can. I'll test with standard Lubuntu 32-bit. >> >> I guess the priority list should be what is possible with the >> >> 1. desktop installer >> >> 2. alternate installer >> >> and the non-conventional alternatives can be tested with standard >> Lubuntu and or Lubuntu Core >> >> 3. OBI (only booted from mass storage devices, typically USB pendrive) >> >> 4. 9w (booted from CD/DVD/USB drives) >> >> -o- >> >> I was not able to install Lubuntu Saucy with 128 MB RAM and any of the >> conventional installers. The alternate or mini iso (netboot) installer >> needed at least 160 MB. I could install with the OBI with 128 MB. I did >> not try the OBI with less RAM. The text in that page is brief, and I >> think it should state the limit for each installer. I expect that the >> limits will be the same or slightly higher with Trusty. >> >> Best regards >> Nio >> >> 2014-03-14 21:19, Phill Whiteside skrev: >>> Hi Nio, >>> >>> can you ensure that https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu#System_Requirements >>> is up to date. >>> >>> Regards, >>> >>> Phill. >>> >>> >>> On 10 March 2014 01:46, Nio Wiklund <nio.wikl...@gmail.com >>> <mailto:nio.wikl...@gmail.com>> wrote: >>> >>> Hi again! >>> >>> A couple of friends at the Ubuntu Forums have helped us find the low >>> limit of hardware, when Lubuntu Saucy and Trusty can run (as installed >>> with the 9w installer) >>> >>> See this link (posts #76-79) >>> >>> >>> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2209683&page=4&p=12952191#post12952191 >>> >>> Doug S wrote { >>> >>> Ventrical @ 166 Mhz and 80 Megabytes is not enough. Me at 200 Mhz and >>> 115 Megabytes right on the edge, and while installation was fine, >>> operationally probably not enough. >>> } >>> >>> Best regards >>> Nio >>> >>> 2014-03-08 13:38, Nio Wiklund skrev: >>> > [my text is at the end except the link] >>> > >>> > http://phillw.net/isos/linux-tools/9w/ >>> > >>> > >>> > 2014-03-08 12:24, Ali Linx skrev: >>> >> >>> >> On 03/08/2014 01:30 AM, Nio Wiklund wrote: >>> >>> 2014-03-07 01:53, Nio Wiklund skrev: >>> >>>> Hi, >>> >>>> >>> >>>> We want to try a new kernel for Trusty Tahr, that is developed by >>> >>>> PhillW. Many people help to build an Ubuntu based operating system >>> >>>> around it, a system that should work on most computers (maybe >>> except >>> >>>> some of those brand new ones that cannot switch off UEFI). >>> >>>> >>> >>>> We have a wide variety of computers, but have not found any >>> really old >>> >>>> one without PAE capability. I'm not talking about Pentium M and >>> Celeron >>> >>>> M, I'm talking about CPUs before Pentium II: >>> >>>> >>> >>>> Pentium Pro, Pentium (i586), or Intel 486 or maybe the >>> corresponding >>> >>>> generation of AMD from 1993-1997. >>> >>>> >>> >>>> I have an old computer from 1998, and it has a Pentium II CPU >>> at 400 >>> >>>> MHz, so it must be older. Check for a clock frequency at or >>> below 200 >>> >>>> MHz. >>> >>>> >>> >>>> If you are a happy owner of such a jewel, please help us test >>> that the >>> >>>> non-pae kernel really works in a computer without PAE >>> capability :-) >>> >>>> >>> >>>> Best regards >>> >>>> Nio >>> >>>> >>> >>> Hi again, >>> >>> >>> >>> After some [private] replies offering tests on old enough >>> hardware, I >>> >>> can report the following results: >>> >>> >>> >>> You can try the installer (to find out if it boots and runs in >>> text mode >>> >>> with really low RAM). An older computer might need less RAM for >>> drivers >>> >>> than my IBM Thinkpad T42 with Pentium M CPU. >>> >>> >>> >>> *The Debian installer, live in an iso file* >>> >>> >>> >>> It starts in text mode and uses 18 MB RAM when idle (and 22 MB in a >>> >>> newer computer with AMD Athlon dual core 4400+), but I have problems >>> >>> below 64 MB, set with the boot option (text is default) >>> >>> >>> >>> mem=48M >>> >>> >>> >>> in an old IBM Thinkpad T42 with Pentium M CPU. >>> >>> >>> >>> it cannot unpack initramfs >>> >>> >>> >>> *Ubuntu Trusty installed system with Phill's non-pae kernel* >>> >>> >>> >>> The Ubuntu Trusty kernel needs more RAM, now after some >>> >>> testing I would say at least 64 MB, but I have problems below 80 >>> MB, set >>> >>> with the boot options >>> >>> >>> >>> text mem=64M >>> >>> >>> >>> in the same old IBM Thinkpad T42 with Pentium M CPU. >>> >>> >>> >>> When idling >>> >>> >>> >>> free -m # shows 38 MB RAM used >>> >>> htop # shows 39 MB RAM used >>> >>> >>> >>> but it seems more RAM is needed at some stage of the boot process. >>> >>> >>> >>> -o- >>> >>> >>> >>> The really old computers available so far have too low RAM, >>> except one, >>> >>> with a Pentium Pro at 200 Mhz. It has 128 Megabytes of memory. The >>> >>> computer was purchased on 1996.08.31. But it has a PAE flag and >>> should >>> >>> be PAE capable. >>> >>> >>> >>> I'm starting to think, that most computers if not all, that are old >>> >>> enough to lack PAE capability have too low RAM anyway for our >>> new Ubuntu >>> >>> flavour non-pae kernel. >>> >>> >>> >>> The outstanding exceptions are Celeron M and Pentium M, that >>> lack the >>> >>> PAE flag, but in most cases have PAE capability. >>> >> >>> >> Further to my previous reply: >>> >> >>> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/lubuntu-users/2014-March/006876.html >>> >> >>> >> I have forgotten to mention that on this thread: >>> >> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1590614 >>> >> >>> >> I manged to install - trying again to save you the trouble to go >>> through >>> >> all the posts of that long thread - Linux on such super old >>> machine (P2 >>> >> with 64MB RAM and 4GB HDD) by: >>> >> >>> >> 1- Taking the HDD out - because the machine itself has nothing to be >>> >> used to install Linux. >>> >> 2- Plugged the HDD to another machine. >>> >> 3- Linux installed - I wasted one month for this experiment >>> because more >>> >> than 50 different systems didn't work - check the thread. >>> >> 4- Disconnected the HDD and put it back in. >>> >> >>> >> One month, ladies and gentlemen. Yes, I learned a lot and proved >>> a lot >>> >> but the real result wasn't helpful for a daily use. Why? because >>> these >>> >> machines can no longer serve while we are in 2014. >>> >> >>> >> I was shocked when I managed to connect to the Wireless Network and >>> >> update the system. But that was the further I managed to go IIRC. >>> >> >>> >> See the thread if you wish: >>> >> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1590614 >>> >> >>> >> If anyone still think I'm wrong, see the thread :) >>> >> >>> >> And first thing you do, check the date of that thread: October >>> 8th, 2010 >>> >> >>> >>> Best regards >>> >>> Nio >>> >>> >>> >> Thank you! >>> >> >>> > >>> > Hi everybody :-) >>> > >>> > I see your points, I just want to explore things and find out myself. >>> > >>> > >>> > *. 9w - an installer for old computers >>> > >>> > So I uploaded a directory with an experimental installer and two >>> sample >>> > systems to install. The installer is based on a Debian system with an >>> > i486 kernel, and it can install any kind of [free] operating system. >>> > There are two sample systems which expand to 4 GB >>> > >>> > Lubuntu Trusty non-pae built february 23 'Ltrusty-npae-feb23.iso' >>> > Lubuntu Saucy PAE-for-Pentium-M 'LubuSaucy-pae2pm-4GB.iso' >>> > >>> > 9w comes as a hybrid ISO file, that works from CD/DVD and cloned from >>> > USB. So it is simple to make install media for most old computers. >>> > >>> > See this link >>> > >>> > http://phillw.net/isos/linux-tools/9w/ >>> > >>> > >>> > 1. What computer will run at all, will be able to do some 'real work', >>> > etc? It might be worth the effort just for the sake of knowledge. >>> > >>> > >>> > 2. What computers are the target for a non-pae Ubuntu kernel? >>> > >>> > With the new fix in Trusty, [almost all] Pentium M and Celeron M will >>> > work with standard 32-bit kernel and the very simple tweak to add the >>> > boot option 'forcepae'. >>> > >>> > If all pre-Pentium II computers are out of the question, how many >>> > computers remain? For example: Are there motherboards, that are >>> non-pae, >>> > and are not helped by fake-PAE? Other problems? >>> > >>> > I'm thinking of Jörn's reply: >>> > >>> > -------- Ursprungligt meddelande -------- >>> > Ämne: Re: have you got a really old computer >>> > Datum: Fri, 7 Mar 2014 22:48:24 +0100 >>> > Från: Joern <joern.schoen...@web.de <mailto:joern.schoen...@web.de>> >>> > Till: Nio Wiklund <nio.wikl...@gmail.com >>> <mailto:nio.wikl...@gmail.com>> >>> > >>> > There also some CPUs that aren't PAE capable but were likely shipped >>> > with enough RAM, like some VIA ones, 1 or 2 versions of Pentium M with >>> > 1.2 GHz and the Transmeta Crusoe. >>> > >>> > Jörn >>> > -------- >>> > >>> > >>> > 3. What computers are the target for ToriOS? >>> > >>> > - Is Pentium 4 and 512 MB RAM the low limit? >>> > >>> > >>> > Best regards >>> > Nio >>> > >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/phillw >> > > -- --https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NikTh--
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