What is the status of the switch to Jakarta ?
Was it aproved the the PMC's ?
If so, what is the next action item ?
Tal
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Jon Stevens
> Sent: Friday, June 08, 2001 9:45 AM
> To: Brian Goetz
> Cc: Doug Cutting; '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'
> Subject: Re: [Lucene-dev] RE: Apache Jakarta & Lucene
>
>
> on 6/8/01 1:03 AM, "Brian Goetz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >> The reason why he is only partly correct is because it depends on the
> >> copyright on the contributed code, not who made the commits.
> >
> > Sorry, that's not exactly correct. US copyright law says that a
> > copyright is created when the work is created, or a derivative work is
> > made, and only is transferred if there is an explicit transfer of
> > copyright. To my knowlege, no one made an explicit transfer of
> > copyright, except for my statement yesterday that I am transferring
> > all my contributions to Doug.
>
> I write a new class, at the top of the code, I place:
>
> * Copyright (c) 1997, 2000 Douglass R. Cutting.
>
> I then check that file into CVS or I post it to the mailing list.
>
> I think that is a pretty clear assignment of copyright.
>
> > Now, you could argue that by not
> > amending the copyright notice when creating a derivative work, that
> > the intention was to transfer copyright, and you could argue that by
> > not identifying it as owned by someone that they had abandoned their
> > copyright interest, but it would be just that -- an argument -- that
> > you'd have to make to a judge if anyone actually wanted to assert
> > their copyright rights in portions of code they created. And I
> > suspect you'd have a hard time actually convincing a judge to rule in
> > your favor.
>
> Why do you think I would have a hard time? Would it be because I
> could have
> accidentally copy/pasted the wrong copyright to the top of the file and
> because I was the one who originally wrote the software I am
> still entitled
> to it? If so, I think I could argue pretty successfully that the code was
> indeed contributed...
>
> Imagine that I'm driving down a back country road at 80mph. I am
> breaking a
> speeding law because legally the road is only 50mph max, however, there is
> no sign that has specified the speed limit. Given that no back
> country roads
> have 80mph signs, one can arrive at the fact that the speed limit was not
> 80mph and that I was breaking the law.
>
> I think you can relate that to the fact that because you made the
> effort to
> contribute code to a project where all the files have Doug's copyright on
> them, that you knew full well that you were contributing code to Doug's
> copyright.
>
> Don't get me wrong, I'm still advocating getting all the committers
> permission first.
>
> > Copyright law is pretty complicated; it doesn't work exactly they way
> > you think it ought to. Its just that these things are so rarely
> > contested in ths community (few contributors to OS projects are likely
> > to try and assert any copyright rigthts, so it just doesn't happen.)
>
> I know.
>
> >> The ASF also has a policy that the code must be copyright to
> the ASF as well
> >> for this purpose. That way, it is the ASF which can control
> the code and
> >> distribution of the code.
> >
> > Out of curiosity, can you show me where it says that? The written
> > policy I've seen says something like "can be released under the terms
> > of the ASL", which doesn't mean exactly the same thing.
>
> Unfortunately, no. This is based on discussions that have happened on the
> ASF members and licensing mailing list over the years. Yes, we (the ASF)
> need a licensing FAQ.
>
> Thanks,
>
> -jon
>
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