Tim,
you have simply refused to understand the difference between *theft* and
*infringement* that Kyle has even sent you a link to. There is a very
clear *legal* difference between the two. Stealing a car and copying a
song are two different things. It is clear in the word.. copy-right..
its a right. A right is a non-tangible thing and so one cannot steal
it. One can infringe upon or violate a right (a la human rights
violation) but cannot steal/take it exactly because its non-tangible.
That said, infringement and theft are both morally and (at least for
theft) legally wrong. However, when it comes to copyright infringement
issues, there is a gray area that comes with the fact that protecting
copyright of one person can also limit the creative possibilities of
another person.
And you were actually on the right track earlier.. this is your very
first post to this thread..
"Sorry to come to this thread late, but it is clearly *breaching
copyright*. You are seeking to make money by using someone elses work.
This has to be morally wrong as well as legally."
As I understand it you are preaching about the moral position behind
whether it is right or wrong to do either of the two that causes a loss
to the victim of the crime (they are both crimes). On the moral issues
I would agree with you but morality does not stick in a court of law.
So in that sense I would go with James and advise you to "get off your
horse".
For me the question here is how can this *experiment* (for it is an
experiment at the moment), inform our copyright policy and can such a
service exist within the (copyright) law and be of benefit to everybody?
cheers, Emmanuel
Tim Schofield wrote:
Badru is not cloning or archiving he is taking. Please can we lay off
the semantics here. The issue is just about the morality of taking
things without the owners permission. The rest of this thread is now
getting just silly.
On 10/08/2010, Joseph Abdi <[email protected]> wrote:
Please note that:
"In criminal law, theft is the illegal taking of another person's property
without that person's freely-given consent."
***NOTE: Its "Taking"...and NOT cloning or archiving ...When I take it, you
loose it...
On Tue, 10 Aug 2010 13:31:21 +0300, brian muhumuza
<[email protected]> wrote:
How exactly does re-broadcasting information already in the public domain
become theft?
On Tue, Aug 10, 2010 at 11:32 AM, Tim Schofield
<[email protected]>wrote:
Well Kyle you have a unique definition of theft that I have never come
across before in my 50 years on this planet.
If I hack into amazons servers and download the credit card details of
all their customers, the law would say I have stolen that data. I dont
have to remove them, I still have stolen them and I would be charged
with the theft of that data. If you break into someones offices and
take copies of their private information from their filing cabinets,
that is theft.
it is not archiving, cloning, or any other of the words that have been
used here, it is theft.
You are the only person on this list arguing that taking something
that does not belong to you without the permission of the owner is not
theft. The argument of the rest of this list is that it is acceptable
practice as they are being robbed by other people as well.
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