Dear David and Benjamin,
I knew if I wittered randomly about theorboes it would attract the
attention of people who actually know something about them. :)
Have you had the opportunity to look closely at the Paris Buechenberg?
The bridge seems to be a long way from the bottom of the instrument
and was wondering if this looks like an original feature. I agree that
the proportions of the Harz look a bit odd.
I am a fan of unusual lutes and wish more makers were building them
(though the demand has to be there in the first place). I like, when
possible, to refer to contemporary iconography to help justify
decisions. The trouble with surviving instruments is that alterations
might have been made in relatively recent times, either for
'commercial' reasons (like Franciolini) or converting them to uses for
which the instruments weren't intended (like the short-necked Hartung
in Washington DC.).
All the best,
Bill
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From:"David Van Edwards" <da...@vanedwards.co.uk>
Date:Wed, 11 Mar, 2015 at 20:48
Subject:[LUTE-BUILDER] Re: Tied frets
Dear Bill and Benjamin,
The Wikipedia link to that nice roller-headed theorbo implies that it
is by Jan van den Hoecke but I understand from the museum website
that he only painted the little figure of Cupid while the instruments
and still-life stuff was painted by Paul de Vos.
[2]http://bilddatenbank.khm.at/viewArtefact?id 95
In answer to Benjamin's query, there are plenty of theorbos with
short necks but they all appear to have been cut down. Even the 8
fret Harz archlute probably started life with a longer neck. Since
there ARE such cut down theorbos, evidently the player who asked for
it thought it a worthwhile idea so it's up to you to decide what you
you want and order accordingly.
For instance the nice Matteo Sellas in Rome [P.V.8182] looks to have
been converted to a French theorbo style with a very short neck
having about 5.5 frets! And the famous Buechenberg in Paris with the
additional little bass side rose has 7.8 fret spaces on a a string
length of 715mm. Pp. 24-5 in the catalogue of the museum.
Best wishes,
David
At 11:15 +0000 11/3/15, William Samson wrote:
> Could be why theorboes were sometimes built this way - saving the
> length of the upper pegbox:
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> Bill
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> From: Benjamin Narvey <[4]luthi...@gmail.com>
> To: "[5]lute-builder@cs.dartmouth.edu"
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> Sent: Tuesday, 10 March 2015, 8:46
> Subject: [LUTE-BUILDER] Re: Tied frets
> Hmmmm. Still no thoughts?
> Sent from my iPad
> On 07 Mar 2015, at 22:49, BENJAMIN NARVEY
<[1][4][7]luthi...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> Dear collected wisdom,
> I'm rather wondering what the minimum number of frets is for
> historical lute instruments, notably for theorbo(s). I am
considering
> having an instrument shortened for travel purposes, and this may
> involve reducing the stopped string length; I know of many large
> theorboes with only 8 tied frets, but are there any with only 7?
> With best wishes,
> Benjamin
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