Dear Bill and Benjamin, I forgot to add that the purpose of the roller head on the theorbo appears to be simply to put the upper pegs within reach of the player without the need to stand up, rather than to shorten the diapasons. Though it does also reduce the overall length, because effectively the upper pegbox is below the nut, thus saving 4 or 5 inches of length.
Incidentally these instruments appear moderately frequently in the iconography even though they have been totally ignored, as far as I know, by makers and players. Andreas Schlegel gave a paper about ignored lute types in Utrecht a couple of years ago and proposed that this type be called the Netherlandish theorbo as all the iconography is linked to the Netherlands. So far I've found 10 images of roller-headed theorbos, from 7 different artists. As to the Buechenberg, I haven't examined it but Joel Dugot notes in his catalogue entry that the bridge and soundboard are of recent and mediocre work and that only the marquetry is of high quality. However the marquetry on the fingerboard has been done without leaving a space for the lower nut, so he concludes that the whole "reconstruction" project was done solely for appearance. Maybe Bill you'll be the first to make a roller-headed theorbo, it seems like a very viable type................... Best wishes, David At 21:35 +0000 11/3/15, William Samson wrote: Dear David and Benjamin, I knew if I wittered randomly about theorboes it would attract the attention of people who actually know something about them. :) Have you had the opportunity to look closely at the Paris Buechenberg? The bridge seems to be a long way from the bottom of the instrument and was wondering if this looks like an original feature. I agree that the proportions of the Harz look a bit odd. I am a fan of unusual lutes and wish more makers were building them (though the demand has to be there in the first place). I like, when possible, to refer to contemporary iconography to help justify decisions. The trouble with surviving instruments is that alterations might have been made in relatively recent times, either for 'commercial' reasons (like Franciolini) or converting them to uses for which the instruments weren't intended (like the short-necked Hartung in Washington DC.). All the best, Bill [1]Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android _______________________________________________________________ From:"David Van Edwards" <da...@vanedwards.co.uk> Date:Wed, 11 Mar, 2015 at 20:48 Subject:[LUTE-BUILDER] Re: Tied frets Dear Bill and Benjamin, The Wikipedia link to that nice roller-headed theorbo implies that it is by Jan van den Hoecke but I understand from the museum website that he only painted the little figure of Cupid while the instruments and still-life stuff was painted by Paul de Vos. [2]http://bilddatenbank.khm.at/viewArtefact?id 95 In answer to Benjamin's query, there are plenty of theorbos with short necks but they all appear to have been cut down. Even the 8 fret Harz archlute probably started life with a longer neck. Since there ARE such cut down theorbos, evidently the player who asked for it thought it a worthwhile idea so it's up to you to decide what you you want and order accordingly. For instance the nice Matteo Sellas in Rome [P.V.8182] looks to have been converted to a French theorbo style with a very short neck having about 5.5 frets! And the famous Buechenberg in Paris with the additional little bass side rose has 7.8 fret spaces on a a string length of 715mm. Pp. 24-5 in the catalogue of the museum. Best wishes, David At 11:15 +0000 11/3/15, William Samson wrote: > Could be why theorboes were sometimes built this way - saving the > length of the upper pegbox: > [1]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/6a/Jan_van_den_Ho eck > e_017.jpg > Bill > > > [2]image > > > > > > > [3]View on upload.wikimedia.org > Preview by Yahoo > > __________________________________________________________________ > > From: Benjamin Narvey <[3]luthi...@gmail.com> > To: "[4]lute-builder@cs.dartmouth.edu" <[5]lute-builder@cs.dartmouth.edu> > Sent: Tuesday, 10 March 2015, 8:46 > Subject: [LUTE-BUILDER] Re: Tied frets > Hmmmm. Still no thoughts? > Sent from my iPad > On 07 Mar 2015, at 22:49, BENJAMIN NARVEY <[1][4][6]luthi...@gmail.com> > wrote: > Dear collected wisdom, > I'm rather wondering what the minimum number of frets is for > historical lute instruments, notably for theorbo(s). I am considering > having an instrument shortened for travel purposes, and this may > involve reducing the stopped string length; I know of many large > theorboes with only 8 tied frets, but are there any with only 7? > With best wishes, > Benjamin > -- > [2]www.luthiste.com > t +33 (0) 6 71 79 98 98 > -- > References > 1. mailto:[5][7]luthi...@gmail.com > 2. 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