In that case - what do you think it was converted to? M Roman Turovsky <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I agree this is a possibility; as you know, I think the weight of evidence is > otherwise. But are you seriously suggesting that this was made or converted > to its present state in the period when the Gallichon/Colachon was played in > the 18thC? > Martyn No. I'd say it was bastardized sometime into the 19th century. RT
> Roman Turovsky wrote: >> In my opinion > WHich is a bit "leaky" as we say in the old country. > > > >> how it could be used is more important than what you call it. >> Depending on how you tune a six-course instrument, it could function as >> a guitar, requinto (actually a "requinto" lute in this case), renaissance >> lute, >> a laud, or a mandolino lombardo ottavo. > FYI, Hoffmann was a very important figure in the history of lute, and there > is no reason to inflict on him any abuse by linguistic daftness. > > This was a gallichone (100% certainty, look at the neck and pegbox), which > suffered bridge displacement which is sadly not atypical. Both Budapest > Jauch and Brunner baroque lutes suffered this at some point during the 19th > century. > RT > -- > http://polyhymnion.org/torban > > > > > >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Martyn Hodgson >> Sent: Mar 16, 2005 1:05 AM >> To: Mathias R? >> Cc: Lute Net >> Subject: Re: Hoffmann Mandora/Gallichon >> >> >> Thank you for your comments Mathias, but: >> >> - are you not aware that guitars were made in lute shape in the 19thC (and in >> other shapes as well for that matter - eg lyre guitar). >> >> - defining a guitar as a 'shallow bodied' instrument is surely asking for >> trouble - probably better to relate to musical practice - ie lute-guitars and >> similar played music written for ordinary guitars. Even well into the last >> century it was possible to buy sheet music asking for 'laute' or 'gitarre'. I >> have before me an original edition (c 1930) of 'Leonardo de Call/Notturno >> Op89/fur Flote(Geige), Bratsche and Gitarre(Laute)' published by Chr >> Friedrich Vieweg >> /BerlinLichterfelds. Interestingly, the cover has two figures playing Lauten >> (not Gitarren). >> >> I therefore stick to my opinion that this is probably a guitar conversion. >> You >> may, of course, hold an entirely different view but perhaps it would be >> useful to support it with evidence rather than unsubstantiated comment. >> >> regards, >> >> Martyn >> >> "Mathias R?" wrote: >>>> My view is that it is most likely a guitar >> >> guitars have shallow bodies, by definition, or so I'm told. Whatsoever >> this is, it is not a guitar. >> >>>> (or rather late 19thC german lute/guitar) conversion direct from a >> lute. >> >> wandervogel lutes (if that is what you meant to say) have single >> strings, not courses (i.e. double strings) >> >>>> There are numerous examples of 18thC Colachons/mandoras (see Gill et >> als) >> >> indeed. Why so much guesswork if the probable is so obvious. >> >>> I would have thought so, if not for the pegbox, which is rather elegant, and >>> entirely uncharacteristic of the Wandervogels. >> >> yes, indeed. >> >> -- >> Regards, >> >> Mathias >> >> -- >> >> To get on or off this list see list information at >> http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html >> >> Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com >> -- >> >> > > > > Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com > -- Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com --
