Thank you Roman, in short - a guitar M Roman Turovsky <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: A lautenguitarre of sorts, REMARCABLY with original double-strung set-up. The main visual difference between gallichones and lautengitarren is the BRIDGE POSITION, lute-like for the former, guitar-like for the latter. The instrument in question has overall proportions and provenance of a gallichone, but with that obvious "improvement". RT ______________ Roman M. Turovsky http://polyhymnion.org/swv
> In that case - what do you think it was converted to? > > M > > Roman Turovsky wrote: >> I agree this is a possibility; as you know, I think the weight of evidence is >> otherwise. But are you seriously suggesting that this was made or converted >> to its present state in the period when the Gallichon/Colachon was played in >> the 18thC? >> Martyn > No. I'd say it was bastardized sometime into the 19th century. > RT > > >> Roman Turovsky wrote: >>> In my opinion >> WHich is a bit "leaky" as we say in the old country. >> >> >> >>> how it could be used is more important than what you call it. >>> Depending on how you tune a six-course instrument, it could function as >>> a guitar, requinto (actually a "requinto" lute in this case), renaissance >>> lute, >>> a laud, or a mandolino lombardo ottavo. >> FYI, Hoffmann was a very important figure in the history of lute, and there >> is no reason to inflict on him any abuse by linguistic daftness. >> >> This was a gallichone (100% certainty, look at the neck and pegbox), which >> suffered bridge displacement which is sadly not atypical. Both Budapest >> Jauch and Brunner baroque lutes suffered this at some point during the 19th >> century. >> RT >> -- >> http://polyhymnion.org/torban >> >> >> >> >> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Martyn Hodgson >>> Sent: Mar 16, 2005 1:05 AM >>> To: Mathias R? >>> Cc: Lute Net >>> Subject: Re: Hoffmann Mandora/Gallichon >>> >>> >>> Thank you for your comments Mathias, but: >>> >>> - are you not aware that guitars were made in lute shape in the 19thC (and >>> in >>> other shapes as well for that matter - eg lyre guitar). >>> >>> - defining a guitar as a 'shallow bodied' instrument is surely asking for >>> trouble - probably better to relate to musical practice - ie lute-guitars >>> and >>> similar played music written for ordinary guitars. Even well into the last >>> century it was possible to buy sheet music asking for 'laute' or 'gitarre'. >>> I >>> have before me an original edition (c 1930) of 'Leonardo de Call/Notturno >>> Op89/fur Flote(Geige), Bratsche and Gitarre(Laute)' published by Chr >>> Friedrich Vieweg >>> /BerlinLichterfelds. Interestingly, the cover has two figures playing Lauten >>> (not Gitarren). >>> >>> I therefore stick to my opinion that this is probably a guitar conversion. >>> You >>> may, of course, hold an entirely different view but perhaps it would be >>> useful to support it with evidence rather than unsubstantiated comment. >>> >>> regards, >>> >>> Martyn >>> >>> "Mathias R?" wrote: >>>>> My view is that it is most likely a guitar >>> >>> guitars have shallow bodies, by definition, or so I'm told. Whatsoever >>> this is, it is not a guitar. >>> >>>>> (or rather late 19thC german lute/guitar) conversion direct from a >>> lute. >>> >>> wandervogel lutes (if that is what you meant to say) have single >>> strings, not courses (i.e. double strings) >>> >>>>> There are numerous examples of 18thC Colachons/mandoras (see Gill et >>> als) >>> >>> indeed. Why so much guesswork if the probable is so obvious. >>> >>>> I would have thought so, if not for the pegbox, which is rather elegant, >>>> and >>>> entirely uncharacteristic of the Wandervogels. >>> >>> yes, indeed. >>> >>> -- >>> Regards, >>> >>> Mathias >>> >>> -- >>> >>> To get on or off this list see list information at >>> http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html >>> >>> Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com >>> -- >>> >>> >> >> >> >> Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com >> -- > > > Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com --
