Only in the same sense as other lutes rebuilt into guitars in that era. In other words: NOT. Look at the Jauch in Budapest. It has the same "adaptation", but it's no guitar. RT ______________ Roman M. Turovsky http://polyhymnion.org/swv
> > Thank you Roman, > > in short - a guitar > > M > > > Roman Turovsky <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > A lautenguitarre of sorts, REMARCABLY with original double-strung set-up. > The main visual difference between gallichones and lautengitarren is the > BRIDGE POSITION, lute-like for the former, guitar-like for the latter. > The instrument in question has overall proportions and provenance of a > gallichone, but with that obvious "improvement". > RT > ______________ > Roman M. Turovsky > http://polyhymnion.org/swv > >> In that case - what do you think it was converted to? >> >> M >> >> Roman Turovsky wrote: >>> I agree this is a possibility; as you know, I think the weight of evidence >>> is >>> otherwise. But are you seriously suggesting that this was made or converted >>> to its present state in the period when the Gallichon/Colachon was played in >>> the 18thC? >>> Martyn >> No. I'd say it was bastardized sometime into the 19th century. >> RT >> >> >>> Roman Turovsky wrote: >>>> In my opinion >>> WHich is a bit "leaky" as we say in the old country. >>> >>> >>> >>>> how it could be used is more important than what you call it. >>>> Depending on how you tune a six-course instrument, it could function as >>>> a guitar, requinto (actually a "requinto" lute in this case), renaissance >>>> lute, >>>> a laud, or a mandolino lombardo ottavo. >>> FYI, Hoffmann was a very important figure in the history of lute, and there >>> is no reason to inflict on him any abuse by linguistic daftness. >>> >>> This was a gallichone (100% certainty, look at the neck and pegbox), which >>> suffered bridge displacement which is sadly not atypical. Both Budapest >>> Jauch and Brunner baroque lutes suffered this at some point during the 19th >>> century. >>> RT >>> -- >>> http://polyhymnion.org/torban >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: Martyn Hodgson >>>> Sent: Mar 16, 2005 1:05 AM >>>> To: Mathias R? >>>> Cc: Lute Net >>>> Subject: Re: Hoffmann Mandora/Gallichon >>>> >>>> >>>> Thank you for your comments Mathias, but: >>>> >>>> - are you not aware that guitars were made in lute shape in the 19thC (and >>>> in >>>> other shapes as well for that matter - eg lyre guitar). >>>> >>>> - defining a guitar as a 'shallow bodied' instrument is surely asking for >>>> trouble - probably better to relate to musical practice - ie lute-guitars >>>> and >>>> similar played music written for ordinary guitars. Even well into the last >>>> century it was possible to buy sheet music asking for 'laute' or 'gitarre'. >>>> I >>>> have before me an original edition (c 1930) of 'Leonardo de Call/Notturno >>>> Op89/fur Flote(Geige), Bratsche and Gitarre(Laute)' published by Chr >>>> Friedrich Vieweg >>>> /BerlinLichterfelds. Interestingly, the cover has two figures playing >>>> Lauten >>>> (not Gitarren). >>>> >>>> I therefore stick to my opinion that this is probably a guitar conversion. >>>> You >>>> may, of course, hold an entirely different view but perhaps it would be >>>> useful to support it with evidence rather than unsubstantiated comment. >>>> >>>> regards, >>>> >>>> Martyn >>>> >>>> "Mathias R?" wrote: >>>>>> My view is that it is most likely a guitar >>>> >>>> guitars have shallow bodies, by definition, or so I'm told. Whatsoever >>>> this is, it is not a guitar. >>>> >>>>>> (or rather late 19thC german lute/guitar) conversion direct from a >>>> lute. >>>> >>>> wandervogel lutes (if that is what you meant to say) have single >>>> strings, not courses (i.e. double strings) >>>> >>>>>> There are numerous examples of 18thC Colachons/mandoras (see Gill et >>>> als) >>>> >>>> indeed. Why so much guesswork if the probable is so obvious. >>>> >>>>> I would have thought so, if not for the pegbox, which is rather elegant, >>>>> and >>>>> entirely uncharacteristic of the Wandervogels. >>>> >>>> yes, indeed. >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Regards, >>>> >>>> Mathias >>>> >>>> -- >>>> >>>> To get on or off this list see list information at >>>> http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html >>>> >>>> Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com >>>> -- >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com >>> -- >> >> >> Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com > > > Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com > --
