Tim, you mixed up Montagna and Mantegna, 2 entirely different artists. A general "FYI" (and since you are not an alcoholic Finnish mezzosoprano publisher of tacky guitar music with a pseudo-intellectual history of bonzai lute and 2 cats: I am not bein ogre-ish.....) Standard architectural perspective does NOT apply to a single human figure, it has to be flattened out, lest look like a caricature. This is one of the oldest (as old as the hills) rules of good draftsmanship. ______________ Roman M. Turovsky http://polyhymnion.org/swv
> From: "timothy motz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 11:01:36 -0500 > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], lute@cs.dartmouth.edu > Subject: Re: Montagna's lutes > >> Mantegna's use of perspective is always a bit shaky and often a bit > overdone for the sake of theater. One of his paintings shows a dead > Christ lying with feet towards the viewer. The perspective on the > bier and most of the figure is correct, but the feet are way too > small to avoid having them dominate the painting. So you can't > really take the proportions of a lute seen at an angle in one of his > paintings as being correct. > > Tim >> >> ---- Original Message ---- >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu >> Subject: Re: Montagna's lutes >> Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 15:16:54 +0200 >> >>> Am 30 Mar 2005 um 8:24 hat Roman Turovsky geschrieben: >>> >>>> Stephan, >>>> you are reading too much into it. The lute stage-right has frets >> fanning >>>> out, but I'm afraid it wouldn't be temperamentally justified. >>>> I wouldn't trust Montagna's "lute design" too much, as he was too >> fine a >>>> designer, and knew very well that beauty is in deviation from the >> ideal. >>>> RT >>> >>> Maybe. However, the design looks well-proportioned to my eyes >> (although a bit >>> unusual). It seems to be constructed classically with three circle >> segments, so I would >>> not accuse him of to much fiction. >>> >>> Regards, >>> >>> Stephan >>> >>>> ______________ >>>> Roman M. Turovsky >>>> http://polyhymnion.org/swv >>>> >>>> >>>>>> Maybe the higher math of just where to place those frets (and >> how many) >>>>>> never seemed to impress them. Number of strings and fingers are >> always >>>>>> right but frets... dang! >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Interesting though that the right lute has a slanted first fret. >>>>> >>>>> Stephan >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> Maybe it's a left-brain, right-brain thing. >>>>>> >>>>>> s >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Mar 29, 2005, at 6:43 PM, James A Stimson wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> And another thing: How come none of these artists get the fret >>>>>>> proportions >>>>>>> right, even though they seem to get everything else right? >>>>>>> By the way, the most accurate rendering of fret spacing I've >> ever >>>>>>> seen is >>>>>>> in a print by M.C. Escher, not exactly a contemporary of the >>>>>>> lutenists, but >>>>>>> very mathematical in his approach. >>>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>>> Jim >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> To get on or off this list see list information at >>>>>>> http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > > > >
