>> This may be true of your art work, but certainly is not >>the case for
>> lute makers.
>Real luthiers are intelligent enough to see where the >originals were
>imperfect, both acoustically and aesthetically (note the >spelling for
future
>reference). Ditto real artists, hence no copying for me.
Maybe it would help you to copy something, it can lay the ground work
for abstract crap.
>I use whole brain for that. In you microcephalic case it >would help to
drive
>to Santa-Fe to see some local kitsch to get at least some >idea what a
>picture looks like
Santa Fe is full of pop artist's who paint cowboy and Indian's for the
most part, you might fit right in.
The exception is Georgia O'Keeffe. Whom BTW I had the honor to play
lute for one evening long ago.
>> BTW, is your Brunner a slavish copy?.
>No it is not. It has an Edlinger shell, my preference.
>RT
Wow! I guess putting a Brunner triple head on a Edlinger shell is
not copying? Then I guess I qualify as a luthieretic genius as well, by
putting a Brunner extension on my Widhalm. Does that qualify me for your
special realm of true artist's?
Michael Thames
www.ThamesClassicalGuitars.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Roman Turovsky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Michael Thames" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Lute net"
<lute@cs.dartmouth.edu>; "Edward Martin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2005 9:00 AM
Subject: Re: Schelle lute
> >> The differences between slender lutes's shells like Schelle, >Tielke,
Frei
> >> are so visually insignificant, that luthiers do as they please >with
their
> >> nomenclatures. And the best ones' designs are original >rather than
slavish
> >> copies.
> >> RT
> >
> > This may be true of your art work, but certainly is not the case for
> > lute makers.
> Real luthiers are intelligent enough to see where the originals were
> imperfect, both acoustically and aesthetically (note the spelling for
future
> reference). Ditto real artists, hence no copying for me.
>
>
>
> If your eye can't pick out the subtle differences in body
> > shapes, just within Schelle's lutes alone, not to mention, Frei Teilke
etc,
> > then I would check in to a continuing adult educational basic drawing
course
> > at your local high school. Or try drawing from the right side of your
brain.
> I use whole brain for that. In you microcephalic case it would help to
drive
> to Santa-Fe to see some local kitsch to get at least some idea what a
> picture looks like.
>
>
> > BTW, is your Brunner a slavish copy?.
> No it is not. It has an Edlinger shell, my preference.
> RT
>
> >>>>> Tell me something I don't know. As the original Schelle doesn't
> >>>>> have a bass rider the I think that goes unsaid.
> >>>>> Michael Thames
> >>>> The page at
> >>> http://www.polyhymnion.org/swv/adue.html
> >>>> has a photo of 2 Schelle lutes, 11 and 13c. Both have an >unusual
> > feature
> >>>> known by the Schelle's name, but you knew that, of >course.
> >>>> RT
> >>>
> >>> Yes Roman, I do know that, the pegbox extends past the fingerboard on
> >>> the bass side. I have photos of the Yale Schelle on my website as
well.
> >>> I was asking about the shape of Barto's lute, not the pegbox, as I
> >>> don't really like the ascetics of Schelle's pegbox design, I wouldn't
> > use it
> >>> anyway.
> >>> Michael Thames
> >>> www.ThamesClassicalGuitars.com
> >> The differences between slender lutes's shells like Schelle, Tielke,
Frei
> >> are so visually insignificant, that luthiers do as they please with
their
> >> nomenclatures. And the best ones' designs are original rather than
slavish
> >> copies.
> >> RT
> >>
> >> ______________
> >> Roman M. Turovsky
> >> http://polyhymnion.org/swv
> >>
> >>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>>>> Ken Brodkey, just emailed and told me Andy Rutherford, told him,
> > even
> >>>>>> though
> >>>>>>>> on the program last year at the LSA, said it was a Schelle, it
was
> >>> the
> >>>>>>>> Warwick Frei, that barto's using.
> >>>>>>>> Michael Thames
> >>>>>>> The simple reason for the confusion is that it is based on >BOTH.
> >>>>>>> RT
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> What, with the Frei shape, and Schelle, ribs?
> >>>>>> Michael Thames
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> Lutes have other parts, such as pegboxes,etc.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> RT
> >>>>> Tell me something I don't know. As the original Schelle doesn't
> >>>>> have a bass rider the I think that goes unsaid.
> >>>>> Michael Thames
> >>>> The page at
> >>>> http://www.polyhymnion.org/swv/adue.html
> >>>> has a photo of 2 Schelle lutes, 11 and 13c. Both have an unusual
> > feature
> >>>> known by the Schelle's name, but you knew that, of course.
> >>>> RT
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> Subject: Re: Schelle lute
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Ken Brodkey, just emailed and told me Andy Rutherford, told him,
> >>> even
> >>>>>>> though
> >>>>>>>>> on the program last year at the LSA, said it was a Schelle, it
was
> >>> the
> >>>>>>>>> Warwick Frei, that barto's useing.
> >>>>>>>>> Michael Thames
> >>>>>>>> The simple reason for the confusion is that it is based on >BOTH.
> >>>>>>>> RT
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> What, with the Frei shape, and Schelle, ribs?
> >>>>>>> Michael Thames
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Lutes have other parts, such as pegboxes,etc.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> RT
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> ______________
> >>>>>> Roman M. Turovsky
> >>>>>> http://polyhymnion.org/swv
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Ken Brodkey, just emailed and told me Andy Rutherford, told him,
> >>> even
> >>>>>>> though
> >>>>>>>>> on the program last year at the LSA, said it was a Schelle, it
was
> >>> the
> >>>>>>>>> Warwick Frei, that barto's useing.
> >>>>>>>>> Michael Thames
> >>>>>>>> The simple reason for the confusion is that it is based on BOTH.
> >>>>>>>> RT
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> ______________
> >>>>>>>> Roman M. Turovsky
> >>>>>>>> http://polyhymnion.org/swv
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> I do not know.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> ed
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> At 07:51 PM 4/19/2005 -0600, Michael Thames wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>> I do not know, but Paul O'Dette also used a Sebastian
>Schelle
> >>>>>>>>> instrument
> >>>>>>>>>>>> when I saw him last week in St Paul. it had a bass rider,
> >> about
> >>>>> 70
> >>>>>>> cm
> >>>>>>>>>>> mensur.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> ed
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Ed, When Paul was here in December, he told me it was a Frei,
> > bass
> >>>>>>>>> rider.
> >>>>>>>>>>> Maybe he got a new one?
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Michael Thames
> >>>>>>>>>>> www.ThamesClassicalGuitars.com
> >>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>>>>>>>>>> From: "Edward Martin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >>>>>>>>>>> To: "Michael Thames" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Lute net"
> >>>>>>>>>>> <lute@cs.dartmouth.edu>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2005 5:02 PM
> >>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Schelle lute
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> I do not know, but Paul O'Dette also used a Sebastian Schelle
> >>>>>>>>> instrument
> >>>>>>>>>>>> when I saw him last week in St Paul. it had a bass rider,
> > about
> >>> 70
> >>>>>>> cm
> >>>>>>>>>>> mensur.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> ed
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> At 09:04 AM 4/19/2005 -0600, Michael Thames wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Does anyone out there happen to know which Schelle, Andy
> >>>>> Rutherford
> >>>>>>>>> used
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> for Barto's lute?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Michael Thames
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> www.ThamesClassicalGuitars.com
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
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> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Edward Martin
> >>>>>>>>>>>> 2817 East 2nd Street
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Duluth, Minnesota 55812
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> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Edward Martin
> >>>>>>>>>> 2817 East 2nd Street
> >>>>>>>>>> Duluth, Minnesota 55812
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