>'Fraid not. Only one luthier does, and I wouldn't let his >name be tainted
by
>being in the same e-mail message with yours.
>In general lutes reflect their makers' personalities. >Imagine, a boor with
>no sense of beauty, and a sloppy speller in a lute, a recipe >for
>disaster.......
>RT
I have a great sense of beauty, I'm the one who can see the difference in
lute bodies, and I don't say they all look the same.
I recall seeing one of your paintings, it was a tortured, dark thing, no
hint a beauty if I recall, reflecting the maker.
Here in Northern NM, everyone is just like you a pseudo artist.
I'll make a deal with you... You make a painting, I'll make a guitar,
and we'll see how fast, and how much both sell for. Don't quit your daytime
job!
Michael Thames
www.ThamesClassicalGuitars.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Roman Turovsky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Michael Thames" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Lute net"
<lute@cs.dartmouth.edu>; "Edward Martin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2005 9:39 AM
Subject: Re: Schelle lute
> >>> This may be true of your art work, but certainly is not >>the case for
> >>> lute makers.
> >> Real luthiers are intelligent enough to see where the >originals were
> >> imperfect, both acoustically and aesthetically (note the >spelling for
> > future
> >> reference). Ditto real artists, hence no copying for me.
> >
> > Maybe it would help you to copy something, it can lay the ground work
> > for abstract crap.
> It would help you to find out that I don't do abstraction (and my student
> practice included a fair amount of copying).
>
>
> >
> >> I use whole brain for that. In you microcephalic case it >would help to
> > drive
> >> to Santa-Fe to see some local kitsch to get at least some >idea what a
> >> picture looks like
> > Santa Fe is full of pop artist's who paint cowboy and Indian's for the
> > most part, you might fit right in.
> I suppose your cognitive skill are insufficient to tell Western from
> Abstract. Hmmmm......
>
>
> > The exception is Georgia O'Keeffe. Whom BTW I had the honor to play
> > lute for one evening long ago.
> How much did she tip you?
>
> >>> BTW, is your Brunner a slavish copy?.
> >> No it is not. It has an Edlinger shell, my preference.
> >> RT
> > Wow! I guess putting a Brunner triple head on a Edlinger shell is
> > not copying? Then I guess I qualify as a luthieretic genius as well, by
> > putting a Brunner extension on my Widhalm. Does that qualify me for
your
> > special realm of true artist's?
> 'Fraid not. Only one luthier does, and I wouldn't let his name be tainted
by
> being in the same e-mail message with yours.
> In general lutes reflect their makers' personalities. Imagine, a boor with
> no sense of beauty, and a sloppy speller in a lute, a recipe for
> disaster.......
> RT
>
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> >
> >>>> The differences between slender lutes's shells like Schelle, >Tielke,
> > Frei
> >>>> are so visually insignificant, that luthiers do as they please >with
> > their
> >>>> nomenclatures. And the best ones' designs are original >rather than
> > slavish
> >>>> copies.
> >>>> RT
> >>>
> >>> This may be true of your art work, but certainly is not the case for
> >>> lute makers.
> >> Real luthiers are intelligent enough to see where the originals were
> >> imperfect, both acoustically and aesthetically (note the spelling for
> > future
> >> reference). Ditto real artists, hence no copying for me.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> If your eye can't pick out the subtle differences in body
> >>> shapes, just within Schelle's lutes alone, not to mention, Frei Teilke
> > etc,
> >>> then I would check in to a continuing adult educational basic drawing
> > course
> >>> at your local high school. Or try drawing from the right side of your
> > brain.
> >> I use whole brain for that. In you microcephalic case it would help to
> > drive
> >> to Santa-Fe to see some local kitsch to get at least some idea what a
> >> picture looks like.
> >>
> >>
> >>> BTW, is your Brunner a slavish copy?.
> >> No it is not. It has an Edlinger shell, my preference.
> >> RT
> >>
> >>>>>>> Tell me something I don't know. As the original Schelle doesn't
> >>>>>>> have a bass rider the I think that goes unsaid.
> >>>>>>> Michael Thames
> >>>>>> The page at
> >>>>> http://www.polyhymnion.org/swv/adue.html
> >>>>>> has a photo of 2 Schelle lutes, 11 and 13c. Both have an >unusual
> >>> feature
> >>>>>> known by the Schelle's name, but you knew that, of >course.
> >>>>>> RT
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Yes Roman, I do know that, the pegbox extends past the fingerboard
on
> >>>>> the bass side. I have photos of the Yale Schelle on my website as
> > well.
> >>>>> I was asking about the shape of Barto's lute, not the pegbox, as I
> >>>>> don't really like the ascetics of Schelle's pegbox design, I
wouldn't
> >>> use it
> >>>>> anyway.
> >>>>> Michael Thames
> >>>>> www.ThamesClassicalGuitars.com
> >>>> The differences between slender lutes's shells like Schelle, Tielke,
> > Frei
> >>>> are so visually insignificant, that luthiers do as they please with
> > their
> >>>> nomenclatures. And the best ones' designs are original rather than
> > slavish
> >>>> copies.
> >>>> RT
> >>>>
> >>>> ______________
> >>>> Roman M. Turovsky
> >>>> http://polyhymnion.org/swv
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Ken Brodkey, just emailed and told me Andy Rutherford, told
him,
> >>> even
> >>>>>>>> though
> >>>>>>>>>> on the program last year at the LSA, said it was a Schelle, it
> > was
> >>>>> the
> >>>>>>>>>> Warwick Frei, that barto's using.
> >>>>>>>>>> Michael Thames
> >>>>>>>>> The simple reason for the confusion is that it is based on
>BOTH.
> >>>>>>>>> RT
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> What, with the Frei shape, and Schelle, ribs?
> >>>>>>>> Michael Thames
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Lutes have other parts, such as pegboxes,etc.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> RT
> >>>>>>> Tell me something I don't know. As the original Schelle doesn't
> >>>>>>> have a bass rider the I think that goes unsaid.
> >>>>>>> Michael Thames
> >>>>>> The page at
> >>>>>> http://www.polyhymnion.org/swv/adue.html
> >>>>>> has a photo of 2 Schelle lutes, 11 and 13c. Both have an unusual
> >>> feature
> >>>>>> known by the Schelle's name, but you knew that, of course.
> >>>>>> RT
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Subject: Re: Schelle lute
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Ken Brodkey, just emailed and told me Andy Rutherford, told
him,
> >>>>> even
> >>>>>>>>> though
> >>>>>>>>>>> on the program last year at the LSA, said it was a Schelle, it
> > was
> >>>>> the
> >>>>>>>>>>> Warwick Frei, that barto's useing.
> >>>>>>>>>>> Michael Thames
> >>>>>>>>>> The simple reason for the confusion is that it is based on
>BOTH.
> >>>>>>>>>> RT
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> What, with the Frei shape, and Schelle, ribs?
> >>>>>>>>> Michael Thames
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Lutes have other parts, such as pegboxes,etc.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> RT
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> ______________
> >>>>>>>> Roman M. Turovsky
> >>>>>>>> http://polyhymnion.org/swv
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Ken Brodkey, just emailed and told me Andy Rutherford, told
him,
> >>>>> even
> >>>>>>>>> though
> >>>>>>>>>>> on the program last year at the LSA, said it was a Schelle, it
> > was
> >>>>> the
> >>>>>>>>>>> Warwick Frei, that barto's useing.
> >>>>>>>>>>> Michael Thames
> >>>>>>>>>> The simple reason for the confusion is that it is based on
BOTH.
> >>>>>>>>>> RT
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> ______________
> >>>>>>>>>> Roman M. Turovsky
> >>>>>>>>>> http://polyhymnion.org/swv
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> I do not know.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> ed
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> At 07:51 PM 4/19/2005 -0600, Michael Thames wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I do not know, but Paul O'Dette also used a Sebastian
> >> Schelle
> >>>>>>>>>>> instrument
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> when I saw him last week in St Paul. it had a bass rider,
> >>>> about
> >>>>>>> 70
> >>>>>>>>> cm
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> mensur.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> ed
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Ed, When Paul was here in December, he told me it was a
Frei,
> >>> bass
> >>>>>>>>>>> rider.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Maybe he got a new one?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Michael Thames
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> www.ThamesClassicalGuitars.com
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> From: "Edward Martin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> To: "Michael Thames" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Lute
net"
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> <lute@cs.dartmouth.edu>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2005 5:02 PM
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Schelle lute
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I do not know, but Paul O'Dette also used a Sebastian
Schelle
> >>>>>>>>>>> instrument
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> when I saw him last week in St Paul. it had a bass rider,
> >>> about
> >>>>> 70
> >>>>>>>>> cm
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> mensur.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> ed
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> At 09:04 AM 4/19/2005 -0600, Michael Thames wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Does anyone out there happen to know which Schelle, Andy
> >>>>>>> Rutherford
> >>>>>>>>>>> used
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for Barto's lute?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Michael Thames
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> www.ThamesClassicalGuitars.com
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Edward Martin
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2817 East 2nd Street
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Duluth, Minnesota 55812
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> voice: (218) 728-1202
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Edward Martin
> >>>>>>>>>>>> 2817 East 2nd Street
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Duluth, Minnesota 55812
> >>>>>>>>>>>> e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >>>>>>>>>>>> voice: (218) 728-1202
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