>>> This may be true of your art work, but certainly is not >>the case for >>> lute makers. >> Real luthiers are intelligent enough to see where the >originals were >> imperfect, both acoustically and aesthetically (note the >spelling for > future >> reference). Ditto real artists, hence no copying for me. > > Maybe it would help you to copy something, it can lay the ground work > for abstract crap. It would help you to find out that I don't do abstraction (and my student practice included a fair amount of copying).
> >> I use whole brain for that. In you microcephalic case it >would help to > drive >> to Santa-Fe to see some local kitsch to get at least some >idea what a >> picture looks like > Santa Fe is full of pop artist's who paint cowboy and Indian's for the > most part, you might fit right in. I suppose your cognitive skill are insufficient to tell Western from Abstract. Hmmmm...... > The exception is Georgia O'Keeffe. Whom BTW I had the honor to play > lute for one evening long ago. How much did she tip you? >>> BTW, is your Brunner a slavish copy?. >> No it is not. It has an Edlinger shell, my preference. >> RT > Wow! I guess putting a Brunner triple head on a Edlinger shell is > not copying? Then I guess I qualify as a luthieretic genius as well, by > putting a Brunner extension on my Widhalm. Does that qualify me for your > special realm of true artist's? 'Fraid not. Only one luthier does, and I wouldn't let his name be tainted by being in the same e-mail message with yours. In general lutes reflect their makers' personalities. Imagine, a boor with no sense of beauty, and a sloppy speller in a lute, a recipe for disaster....... RT > >>>> The differences between slender lutes's shells like Schelle, >Tielke, > Frei >>>> are so visually insignificant, that luthiers do as they please >with > their >>>> nomenclatures. And the best ones' designs are original >rather than > slavish >>>> copies. >>>> RT >>> >>> This may be true of your art work, but certainly is not the case for >>> lute makers. >> Real luthiers are intelligent enough to see where the originals were >> imperfect, both acoustically and aesthetically (note the spelling for > future >> reference). Ditto real artists, hence no copying for me. >> >> >> >> If your eye can't pick out the subtle differences in body >>> shapes, just within Schelle's lutes alone, not to mention, Frei Teilke > etc, >>> then I would check in to a continuing adult educational basic drawing > course >>> at your local high school. Or try drawing from the right side of your > brain. >> I use whole brain for that. In you microcephalic case it would help to > drive >> to Santa-Fe to see some local kitsch to get at least some idea what a >> picture looks like. >> >> >>> BTW, is your Brunner a slavish copy?. >> No it is not. It has an Edlinger shell, my preference. >> RT >> >>>>>>> Tell me something I don't know. As the original Schelle doesn't >>>>>>> have a bass rider the I think that goes unsaid. >>>>>>> Michael Thames >>>>>> The page at >>>>> http://www.polyhymnion.org/swv/adue.html >>>>>> has a photo of 2 Schelle lutes, 11 and 13c. Both have an >unusual >>> feature >>>>>> known by the Schelle's name, but you knew that, of >course. >>>>>> RT >>>>> >>>>> Yes Roman, I do know that, the pegbox extends past the fingerboard on >>>>> the bass side. I have photos of the Yale Schelle on my website as > well. >>>>> I was asking about the shape of Barto's lute, not the pegbox, as I >>>>> don't really like the ascetics of Schelle's pegbox design, I wouldn't >>> use it >>>>> anyway. >>>>> Michael Thames >>>>> www.ThamesClassicalGuitars.com >>>> The differences between slender lutes's shells like Schelle, Tielke, > Frei >>>> are so visually insignificant, that luthiers do as they please with > their >>>> nomenclatures. And the best ones' designs are original rather than > slavish >>>> copies. >>>> RT >>>> >>>> ______________ >>>> Roman M. Turovsky >>>> http://polyhymnion.org/swv >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Ken Brodkey, just emailed and told me Andy Rutherford, told him, >>> even >>>>>>>> though >>>>>>>>>> on the program last year at the LSA, said it was a Schelle, it > was >>>>> the >>>>>>>>>> Warwick Frei, that barto's using. >>>>>>>>>> Michael Thames >>>>>>>>> The simple reason for the confusion is that it is based on >BOTH. >>>>>>>>> RT >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> What, with the Frei shape, and Schelle, ribs? >>>>>>>> Michael Thames >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Lutes have other parts, such as pegboxes,etc. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> RT >>>>>>> Tell me something I don't know. As the original Schelle doesn't >>>>>>> have a bass rider the I think that goes unsaid. >>>>>>> Michael Thames >>>>>> The page at >>>>>> http://www.polyhymnion.org/swv/adue.html >>>>>> has a photo of 2 Schelle lutes, 11 and 13c. Both have an unusual >>> feature >>>>>> known by the Schelle's name, but you knew that, of course. >>>>>> RT >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> Subject: Re: Schelle lute >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Ken Brodkey, just emailed and told me Andy Rutherford, told him, >>>>> even >>>>>>>>> though >>>>>>>>>>> on the program last year at the LSA, said it was a Schelle, it > was >>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>> Warwick Frei, that barto's useing. >>>>>>>>>>> Michael Thames >>>>>>>>>> The simple reason for the confusion is that it is based on >BOTH. >>>>>>>>>> RT >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> What, with the Frei shape, and Schelle, ribs? >>>>>>>>> Michael Thames >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Lutes have other parts, such as pegboxes,etc. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> RT >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ______________ >>>>>>>> Roman M. Turovsky >>>>>>>> http://polyhymnion.org/swv >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Ken Brodkey, just emailed and told me Andy Rutherford, told him, >>>>> even >>>>>>>>> though >>>>>>>>>>> on the program last year at the LSA, said it was a Schelle, it > was >>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>> Warwick Frei, that barto's useing. >>>>>>>>>>> Michael Thames >>>>>>>>>> The simple reason for the confusion is that it is based on BOTH. >>>>>>>>>> RT >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> ______________ >>>>>>>>>> Roman M. Turovsky >>>>>>>>>> http://polyhymnion.org/swv >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I do not know. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> ed >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> At 07:51 PM 4/19/2005 -0600, Michael Thames wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I do not know, but Paul O'Dette also used a Sebastian >> Schelle >>>>>>>>>>> instrument >>>>>>>>>>>>>> when I saw him last week in St Paul. it had a bass rider, >>>> about >>>>>>> 70 >>>>>>>>> cm >>>>>>>>>>>>> mensur. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> ed >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Ed, When Paul was here in December, he told me it was a Frei, >>> bass >>>>>>>>>>> rider. >>>>>>>>>>>>> Maybe he got a new one? >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Michael Thames >>>>>>>>>>>>> www.ThamesClassicalGuitars.com >>>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>>>>>>>> From: "Edward Martin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>>>>>>>>>> To: "Michael Thames" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Lute net" >>>>>>>>>>>>> <lute@cs.dartmouth.edu> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2005 5:02 PM >>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Schelle lute >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I do not know, but Paul O'Dette also used a Sebastian Schelle >>>>>>>>>>> instrument >>>>>>>>>>>>>> when I saw him last week in St Paul. it had a bass rider, >>> about >>>>> 70 >>>>>>>>> cm >>>>>>>>>>>>> mensur. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> ed >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> At 09:04 AM 4/19/2005 -0600, Michael Thames wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Does anyone out there happen to know which Schelle, Andy >>>>>>> Rutherford >>>>>>>>>>> used >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for Barto's lute? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Michael Thames >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> www.ThamesClassicalGuitars.com >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To get on or off this list see list information at >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Edward Martin >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2817 East 2nd Street >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Duluth, Minnesota 55812 >>>>>>>>>>>>>> e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>>>>>>>>>>>> voice: (218) 728-1202 >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Edward Martin >>>>>>>>>>>> 2817 East 2nd Street >>>>>>>>>>>> Duluth, Minnesota 55812 >>>>>>>>>>>> e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>>>>>>>>>> voice: (218) 728-1202 >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >> >> > >
