Just out of curiosity, have you read the article, and if so what is the big surprise about pronunciation? dt
At 01:46 PM 6/19/2008, you wrote: >Nah, the duck is far more important, i.e. phrasing, syntax, melodic >and harmonic rhythms etc. >I.e. the drivetrain. Your list is chromeplating. >RT >----- Original Message ----- From: "David Tayler" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: "lute-cs.dartmouth.edu" <lute@cs.dartmouth.edu> >Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2008 4:38 PM >Subject: [LUTE] Re: French Style > > >>All the things on this list are uniquely French; they give the music >>the character. >>For French music, the truffle is more important than the duck. >>A ground bass can have the exact same harmony in France as an Italian >>one, but the sauce is different. >>dt >> >> >>At 01:08 PM 6/19/2008, you wrote: >>>This is all truffle sauce, but it tells you nothing about the wild >>>boar underneath. >>>RT >>> >>> >>>----- Original Message ----- From: "David Tayler" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>To: "lute-cs.dartmouth.edu" <lute@cs.dartmouth.edu> >>>Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2008 3:59 PM >>>Subject: [LUTE] Re: French Style >>> >>> >>>>That's a terrific question for which there is no easy answer. >>>>Here's a few basic starting points: >>>>1. It is different at different times--don't conflate the different genres >>>>2. Inegal is the most misused and most misunderstood. Read the >>>>original sources, don't rely on secondary sources. >>>>At a minimum,Distinguish between coule & pointe, and distinguish >>>>rhythmic inegal from articulation inegal--this is where it always >>>>goes wrong. >>>>3. Read up on the "gout" >>>>4. Learn all the agreements. Most people know 2 or 3, some know half >>>>a dozen, few know them all. >>>>You need to know at least a dozen, to put an arbitrary number on it. >>>>5. Learn the three parts of the trill--the starting note, the >>>>repetition, and the escape. Most people don't play their trills >>>>right, or play them "evenly". >>>>6. Use the 2/3rds rule for grace notes and the first note of the >>>>trill as a starting point--the grace note is the long note, not the >>>>other way around >>>>7. Distinguish between the weight of medial and final cadential >>>>trills and ornaments, the lighter ones are often at the end, not the >>>>other way around. >>>>8. At a minimum, read Monteclair on the agreements, especially for >>>>the port de voix, the ornament which is most often performed >>>>backwards (enough here for a separate post) >>>>9. Also read the following which describes the actual ornaments used >>>>in Rameau's time: >>>> >>>>Author: MCGEGAN, Nicholas; SPAGNOLI, Gina >>>>Singing style at the Opera in the Rameau period. (Paris: >>>>Champion; Geneve: Slatkine, 1986) Music. In French. See RILM >>>>1987-00887-bs. Collection: Jean-Philippe Rameau >>>> >>>>10. You are right about the language, lots to investigate there. >>>>11. Listen to a few recordings of unmeasured preludes for >>>>harpsichord, then arrange them for lute. A new take on stile brise. >>>> >>>>dt >>>> >>>> >>>>At 12:35 PM 6/19/2008, you wrote: >>>>>I'm wondering: what is it that makes up the "French style" of >>>>>Baroque music? I don't mean particularly stile brise, notes inegall >>>>>etc. Those are obvious, and to me insufficient explanations to >>>>>convey the French Baroque. It seems to me there's more to it than >>>>>that. Are there, for example, considerations in the French style >>>>>that have to do with the cadences and general kinds of rhythms of the >>>>>French language itself? What things does one need to understand / >>>>>appreciate in order to make effectively rhetorical music in the >>>>>French style? >>>>> >>>>>Anybody got any ideas on this? >>>>> >>>>>Best, >>>>> >>>>>David Rastall >>>>>[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>-- >>>>> >>>>>To get on or off this list see list information at >>>>>http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>__________________________________________________ >>>D O T E A S Y - "Join the web hosting revolution!" >>> http://www.doteasy.com >> >> > > > > >__________________________________________________ >D O T E A S Y - "Join the web hosting revolution!" > http://www.doteasy.com >
