Danny & all: The article that best defines the terminology is "Style brise, Style luthe," and the "Choses luthees", by David J. Buch, The Musical Quarterly, Vol. 71, No. 1 (1985), pp. 52-67 Best wishes, Ron Andrico www.mignarda.com > Date: Sun, 29 Nov 2009 15:22:58 -0800 > To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu > From: vidan...@sbcglobal.net > Subject: [LUTE] Re: Terminology: brise > > The fact that it has not yet been traced back > does not make it a modern term. Articles which > say that it cannot be traced do not even have a > footnote saying where they looked, they should > have just said they could not find it and listed > the sources. I doubt that all the sources have > been searched for it. In addition, the term > brisee means, among other things, plucked in the > 17th century, so it must have been used to > describe instruments like the harp and the lute. > Dictionaries give plucked as a definition as > early as ca1600. There may be even parallel > compounds like "accents brisees" that people have > not even looked for. Some of these may be related > terms, such as cadence brisee which is quite > early. I suspect there is a more than even chance > an earlier useage of the term will surface, and > then we can debate if luthe and brise are the same :) > As far as the term luthe, it would be better if > we can find out what the lute players called it > as the harpsichordists may have used a different term. > dt > > At 06:24 AM 11/29/2009, you wrote: > >Yes, good point, "style brise" is a modern term. > >It's better to use "style luthe" instead if we > >really have to use anything at all. > > > >JL > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Probert" <probe...@gmail.com> > >To: <lute@cs.dartmouth.edu> > >Sent: Sunday, November 29, 2009 10:34 AM > >Subject: [LUTE] Terminology: brise > > > > > > > >The recent thread on Saint Luc brought up the term "brise" (final > >e-accute) that I had not read before. So I went to Groves and found > >that "Style brise" refers to a broken appeggiation style, which, in > >reference to early French Baroque lute music, I am familiar with. > > > >Interestingly, that term, "Style brise", can't be traced back further > >than 1928 and one La Laurencie's "Les luthistes" (Paris, 1928). > >Apparently, back in the day, Couperin referred to the technique as > >'luthe'. Thing is, he was referring to harpsichordists using the lute > >style, not a lutenist using that style. > > > >So now we are describing a lute technique using a keyboard style name > >that was originally used to describe a lute style. Excellent! > > > >. mark > > > > > > > >To get on or off this list see list information at > >http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html > > > > __________________________________________________________________
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