> Sadly, most articles have an expiration date of say twenty years. David: As one who greatly values the historical research of many great scholars in my chosen field, I must gently offer a strong disagreement. Best, Ron Andrico www.mignarda.com > Date: Sun, 29 Nov 2009 18:33:16 -0800 > To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu > From: vidan...@sbcglobal.net > Subject: [LUTE] Re: Terminology: brise > > I don't think the material in that article is complete and up to date. > For example, there was a perfectly good term for the broken style which > is Harpege. > It isn't clear at all what luthe means, it could me "unmeasured" or > refer to the separation of the bass and the treble, and so on. > Sadly, most articles have an expiration date of say twenty years. > dt > At 06:09 PM 11/29/2009, you wrote: > > Danny & all: > The article that best defines the terminology is > "Style brise, Style luthe," and the "Choses luthees", by David J. > Buch, The Musical Quarterly, Vol. 71, No. 1 (1985), pp. 52-67 > Best wishes, > Ron Andrico > [1]www.mignarda.com > > Date: Sun, 29 Nov 2009 15:22:58 -0800 > > To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu > > From: vidan...@sbcglobal.net > > Subject: [LUTE] Re: Terminology: brise > > > > The fact that it has not yet been traced back > > does not make it a modern term. Articles which > > say that it cannot be traced do not even have a > > footnote saying where they looked, they should > > have just said they could not find it and listed > > the sources. I doubt that all the sources have > > been searched for it. In addition, the term > > brisee means, among other things, plucked in the > > 17th century, so it must have been used to > > describe instruments like the harp and the lute. > > Dictionaries give plucked as a definition as > > early as ca1600. There may be even parallel > > compounds like "accents brisees" that people have > > not even looked for. Some of these may be related > > terms, such as cadence brisee which is quite > > early. I suspect there is a more than even chance > > an earlier useage of the term will surface, and > > then we can debate if luthe and brise are the same :) > > As far as the term luthe, it would be better if > > we can find out what the lute players called it > > as the harpsichordists may have used a different term. > > dt > > > > At 06:24 AM 11/29/2009, you wrote: > > >Yes, good point, "style brise" is a modern term. > > >It's better to use "style luthe" instead if we > > >really have to use anything at all. > > > > > >JL > > > > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Probert" > <probe...@gmail.com> > > >To: <lute@cs.dartmouth.edu> > > >Sent: Sunday, November 29, 2009 10:34 AM > > >Subject: [LUTE] Terminology: brise > > > > > > > > > > > >The recent thread on Saint Luc brought up the term "brise" (final > > >e-accute) that I had not read before. So I went to Groves and > found > > >that "Style brise" refers to a broken appeggiation style, which, > in > > >reference to early French Baroque lute music, I am familiar with. > > > > > >Interestingly, that term, "Style brise", can't be traced back > further > > >than 1928 and one La Laurencie's "Les luthistes" (Paris, 1928). > > >Apparently, back in the day, Couperin referred to the technique > as > > >'luthe'. Thing is, he was referring to harpsichordists using the > lute > > >style, not a lutenist using that style. > > > > > >So now we are describing a lute technique using a keyboard style > name > > >that was originally used to describe a lute style. Excellent! > > > > > >. mark > > > > > > > > > > > >To get on or off this list see list information at > > >[2] http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________________________ > > Bing brings you maps, menus, and reviews organized in one place. > [3]Try it now. > > -- > > References > > 1. http://www.mignarda.com/ > 2. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html > 3. http://www.bing.com/search?q=restaurants&form=MFESRP&publ=WLHMTAG&crea= TEXT_MFESRP_Local_MapsMenu_Resturants_1x1 > __________________________________________________________________
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