Thank you Valery - I have it now. And thank you for bringing it to our
attention.
A few quick observations:
The tablature is for guitar or mandora (a 6th course is required on the
earlier folios).
Folio 48r shows the tuning with a 6th course (at nominal G ie a tone
below the 5th
course) so this certainly looks like mandora music. The intervals
between the highest
five courses is identical on both instruments and most of the pieces
could be played
on the 5 course guitar too. Incidentally there are other 5 course
mandora sources.
Fol 69v (their numbering 72v) also has a piece for a Mandora 1 and a
Mandora 2 .
In this context the heading on fol. 48v is very interesting 'Accordo
Chytarra A Mandora'
- whatever this meant to the scribe. This page also contains added
numbers under
the basses - as if it were for an archmandora or archguitar. The hand
of these numbers
looks to me not the same as the main scribe and I suspect may have
been
entered later as the manuscript owner tried to adapt the music to a
theorboed
instrument recently acquired. Whatever the reason, they soon tired of
the idea - after
a mere three lines in fact..........
Interestingly one tuning on fol 6 is given as for the 'Calledono' which
I presume refers to
the gallichon thus once again showing an interchange in usage between
the mandora
and gallichon - though the tuning given is not one I recognise from
other sources.
In my view, the writing looks more like mandora music than for guitar
and I therefore
suggest a low bass 5th course with the octave on the high side (ie the
low bass sounds
firstand stronger).
I've not had time to search for concordances - tho' some seem familiar
( a bit like
Deisel's output) but the later staff notation pieces include music
from Lully's (I think)
Bellepheron.
Martyn
--- On Mon, 26/3/12, Valery Sauvage <sauvag...@orange.fr> wrote:
From: Valery Sauvage <sauvag...@orange.fr>
Subject: RE: [LUTE] Re: Tablature Mandore Guitare
To: "'Martyn Hodgson'" <hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk>
Date: Monday, 26 March, 2012, 10:21
Try the link on the Ning page :
[1]http://earlyguitar.ning.com/forum/topics/losy-or-not-losy-logy-mando
ra-guitar-book
(I hope this one will not be cuted..)
V.
De : Martyn Hodgson [mailto:hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk]
Envoye : lundi 26 mars 2012 10:47
A : Valery Sauvage
Objet : Re: [LUTE] Re: Tablature Mandore Guitare
Thank you. I tried but got this. M.
No results found for
[2]http://www.europeana.eu/portal/record/92004/8BBCF27BFD3362850AA8C198B9
85D9AD99E3393B.html?query=Losy+guitar.
--- On Mon, 26/3/12, Valery Sauvage <sauvag...@orange.fr> wrote:
From: Valery Sauvage <sauvag...@orange.fr>
Subject: [LUTE] Re: Tablature Mandore Guitare
To: "'Lute Net'" <lute@cs.dartmouth.edu>
Date: Monday, 26 March, 2012, 9:38
You have to put together the two lines as there was a cut in the
link... (all what is between < and > )
<[3]http://www.europeana.eu/portal/record/92004/8BBCF27BFD3362850AA8
C198B9
85D9AD99E3393B.html?query=Losy+guitar>
V.
De : Martyn Hodgson [mailto:[4]hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk]
Envoye : lundi 26 mars 2012 10:34
A : Valery Sauvage
Objet : Re: [LUTE] Tablature Mandore Guitare
Dear Valery,
I'd like to help but this link doesn't seem to work.
regards
Martyn
--- On Mon, 26/3/12, Valery Sauvage <[5]sauvag...@orange.fr> wrote:
From: Valery Sauvage <[6]sauvag...@orange.fr>
Subject: [LUTE] Tablature Mandore Guitare
To: "'Lute Net'" <[7]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu>,
[8]le_l...@yahoogroupes.fr
Date: Monday, 26 March, 2012, 9:28
[1][1][9]http://www.europeana.eu/portal/record/92004/8BBCF27BFD3362850A
A8C198
B985D9AD99E3393B.html?query=Losy+guitar
This is an interesting Ms with tabs for Mandora (Galichon ?) and
baroque guitar (from F. 48r, 6 courses, from 60v for 5 courses)
Some
bibliographical informations mention the name of J. A. Losy
(under
publication by Jaroslav Pohanka in 1958).
Is this music by Losy ? Any information is welcome.
Nice music anyway !
All the best,
Valery
Voici un lien vers une tablature interessante (`a partir du folio
48r,
pieces pour un instrument `a 6 choeurs, mandore probablement,
puis
`a
partir du folio 60v, pieces pour instrument `a 5 choeurs.
Dans la bibliographie il est fait mention de J.A. Losy par
Jaroslav
Pohanka (une edition de 1958) mais cette musique est-elle bien de
Losy ? ou il y est fait reference uniquement dans la
bibliographie ?
Quelqu'un aurait une information ? Sinon la musique semble
agreable...
Bonne decouverte,
Valery
(Lien communique par Jean-Franc,ois Delcamp)
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