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Dear Martyn, The enlarged screenshot makes it pretty clear IMO that the word reads "et" with a faded e-loop. > Indeed I noticed the gallichon tuning, and wrote: "Interestingly one > tuning on fol 6 is given as for the 'Calledono' which I presume refers > to the gallichon thus once again showing an interchange in usage > between the mandora and gallichon - though the tuning given is not one > I recognise from other sources". Hm, on fol. 6r I see a gavotte and a somewhat strange scale with wrong pitch names (suppose its a tool for transposing from sight). And on fol. 6v I see a Schmidt Courent. No charts on fol. 16, 26, 36, 46, 56, 66, 76, 86. There are alfabeto and tuning instructions on fol. 96, but they are intended for the guitar, and the tuning is not a new one but a different way of tuning, i.e. in octaves and fifths (with a mistake in measure 1, as 1a + 3f equals a major third). On p. 24v seq, the headline that I can see reads Fundamentales Concentus in Callizon, i.e. either chords in root position or basic chords on the Callichon. Considering fol. 25r, I prefer the latter. > Other > than body shape, the big difference between the E tuned 5 course > mandora and the guitar There are quite a few sources which require mandoras with their 5th courses in G (the Brescianello suites spring to mind). The headline on fol. 48v seems to imply that the guitar and the mandora were considered different instruments with identical tunings. Mathias > --- On Mon, 26/3/12, Mathias RAP:sel < <mailto:mathias.roe...@t-online.de> mathias.roe...@t-online.de> > wrote: > > From: Mathias RAP:sel < <mailto:mathias.roe...@t-online.de> mathias.roe...@t-online.de> > Subject: [LUTE] Re: Tablature Mandore Guitare > To: "'Lute Dmth'" < <mailto:lute@cs.dartmouth.edu> lute@cs.dartmouth.edu> > Date: Monday, 26 March, 2012, 16:38 > > > The tablature is for guitar or mandora (a 6th course is required > on the > > earlier folios). Folio 48r shows the tuning with a 6th course (at > nominal G ie a tone > > below the 5th course) so this certainly looks like mandora music. > The > intervals > > between the highest five courses is identical on both instruments > and > most of > > the pieces could be played on the 5 course guitar too. > Did you note the instructions on fol. 24 seqq? They are obviously > intended > for the 5c calichon, tuned g - d - Bb - F - C. > > In this context the heading on fol. 48v is very interesting > 'Accordo > > Chytarra A Mandora' aEUR" whatever this meant to the scribe. > As I said, the headline reads: Accordo ChytarA| et MandorA|, meaning > "tuning > of the guitar and the mandora". > Mathias > To get on or off this list see list information at > [1] <http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html> http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html > > -- > > References > > 1. <http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html> http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html ------=_NextPart_001_000E_01CD0C13.766DED40 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <html xmlns:v="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" xmlns:o="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" xmlns:w="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" xmlns:m="http://schemas.microsoft.com/office/2004/12/omml" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40"><head><meta http-equiv=Content-Type content="text/html; charset=iso-8859-1"><meta name=Generator content="Microsoft Word 14 (filtered medium)"><!--[if !mso]><style>v\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} o\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} w\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} .shape {behavior:url(#default#VML);} </style><![endif]--><style><!-- /* Font Definitions */ @font-face {font-family:Calibri; panose-1:2 15 5 2 2 2 4 3 2 4;} @font-face {font-family:Tahoma; panose-1:2 11 6 4 3 5 4 4 2 4;} /* Style Definitions */ p.MsoNormal, li.MsoNormal, div.MsoNormal {margin:0cm; margin-bottom:.0001pt; font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"; mso-fareast-language:EN-US;} a:link, span.MsoHyperlink {mso-style-priority:99; color:blue; text-decoration:underline;} a:visited, span.MsoHyperlinkFollowed {mso-style-priority:99; color:purple; text-decoration:underline;} p.MsoPlainText, li.MsoPlainText, div.MsoPlainText {mso-style-priority:99; mso-style-link:"Nur Text Zchn"; margin:0cm; margin-bottom:.0001pt; font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";} p.MsoAcetate, li.MsoAcetate, div.MsoAcetate {mso-style-priority:99; mso-style-link:"Sprechblasentext Zchn"; margin:0cm; margin-bottom:.0001pt; font-size:8.0pt; font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"; mso-fareast-language:EN-US;} span.NurTextZchn {mso-style-name:"Nur Text Zchn"; mso-style-priority:99; mso-style-link:"Nur Text"; font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"; mso-fareast-language:DE;} span.SprechblasentextZchn {mso-style-name:"Sprechblasentext Zchn"; mso-style-priority:99; mso-style-link:Sprechblasentext; font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";} .MsoChpDefault {mso-style-type:export-only; font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"; mso-fareast-language:EN-US;} @page WordSection1 {size:612.0pt 792.0pt; margin:70.85pt 129.75pt 2.0cm 129.7pt;} div.WordSection1 {page:WordSection1;} --></style><!--[if gte mso 9]><xml> <o:shapedefaults v:ext="edit" spidmax="1026" /> </xml><![endif]--><!--[if gte mso 9]><xml> <o:shapelayout v:ext="edit"> <o:idmap v:ext="edit" data="1" /> </o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=DE link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoPlainText>Dear Martyn,<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span lang=EN-GB>The enlarged screenshot makes it pretty clear IMO that the word reads "et" with a faded e-loop.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span lang=EN-GB><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><img width=1280 height=1024 id="Grafik_x0020_1" src="cid:image001.png@01CD0C0D.FB3D2910"><span lang=EN-GB><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span lang=EN-GB><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span lang=EN-GB>> Indeed I noticed the gallichon tuning, and wrote: "Interestingly one<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> tuning on fol 6 is given as for the 'Calledono' which I presume refers</p><p class=MsoPlainText>> to the gallichon thus once again showing an interchange in usage</p><! p class=MsoPlainText>> between the mandora and gallichon - though the tuning given is not one</p><p class=MsoPlainText>> I recognise from other sources".</p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span lang=EN-GB>Hm, on fol. 6r I see a gavotte and a somewhat strange scale with ”wrong“ pitch names (suppose it’s a tool for transposing from sight). And on fol. 6v I see a Schmidt Courent. No charts on fol. 16, 26, 36, 46, 56, 66, 76, 86. There are alfabeto and tuning instructions on fol. 96, but they are intended for the guitar, and the tuning is not a new one but a different way of tuning, i.e. in octaves and fifths (with a mistake in measure 1, as 1a + 3f equals a major third).<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span lang=EN-GB><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span lang=EN-GB>On p. 24v seq, the headline that I can see reads “Fundamentales Concentus in Callizon”, i.e. either ! 220;chords in root position” or “basic chords̶! 1; on the Callichon. Considering fol. 25r, I prefer the latter.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span lang=EN-GB><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span lang=EN-GB>> </span>Other</p><p class=MsoPlainText>> than body shape, the big difference between the E tuned 5 course</p><p class=MsoPlainText>> mandora and the guitar<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span lang=EN-GB>There are quite a few sources which require mandoras with their 5<sup>th</sup> courses in G (the “Brescianello” suites spring to mind). The headline on fol. 48v seems to imply that the guitar and the mandora were considered different instruments with identical tunings.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span lang=EN-GB><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span lang=EN-GB>Mathias<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span lang=EN-GB><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText! ><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span >style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p >class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span >lang=FR>> --- On Mon, 26/3/12, Mathias RAP:sel <</span><a >href="mailto:mathias.roe...@t-online.de"><span lang=FR >style='color:windowtext;text-decoration:none'>mathias.roe...@t-online.de</span></a><span > lang=FR>><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> wrote:</p><p >class=MsoPlainText>> </p><p class=MsoPlainText>> From: Mathias >RAP:sel <<a href="mailto:mathias.roe...@t-online.de"><span >style='color:windowtext;text-decoration:none'>mathias.roe...@t-online.de</span></a>></p><p > class=MsoPlainText>> Subject: [LUTE] Re: Tablature Mandore >Guitare</p><p class=MsoPlainText>> To: "'Lute Dmth'" <<a >href="mailto:lute@cs.dartmouth.edu"><span >style='color:windowtext;text-decoration:none'>lute@cs.dartmouth.edu</span></a>></p><p > class=MsoPlainText>> ! Date: Monday, 26 March, 2012, 16:38</p><p class=MsoPlainText>> <! /p><p class=MsoPlainText>> > The tablature is for guitar or mandora (a 6th course is required</p><p class=MsoPlainText>> on the</p><p class=MsoPlainText>> > earlier folios). Folio 48r shows the tuning with a 6th course (at</p><p class=MsoPlainText>> nominal G ie a tone</p><p class=MsoPlainText>> > below the 5th course) so this certainly looks like mandora music.</p><p class=MsoPlainText>> The</p><p class=MsoPlainText>> intervals</p><p class=MsoPlainText>> > between the highest five courses is identical on both instruments</p><p class=MsoPlainText>> and</p><p class=MsoPlainText>> most of</p><p class=MsoPlainText>> > the pieces could be played on the 5 course guitar too.</p><p class=MsoPlainText>> Did you note the instructions on fol. 24 seqq? They are obviously</p><p class=MsoPlainText>> intended</p><p class=MsoPlainText>> for the 5c calichon, tuned g - d - Bb - ! F - C.</p><p class=MsoPlainText>> > In this context the heading on fol. 48v is very interesting</p><p class=MsoPlainText>> 'Accordo</p><p class=MsoPlainText>> > Chytarra A Mandora' aEUR" whatever this meant to the scribe.</p><p class=MsoPlainText>> As I said, the headline reads: Accordo ChytarA| et MandorA|, meaning</p><p class=MsoPlainText>> "tuning</p><p class=MsoPlainText>> of the guitar and the mandora".</p><p class=MsoPlainText>> Mathias</p><p class=MsoPlainText>> To get on or off this list see list information at</p><p class=MsoPlainText>> [1]<a href="http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html"><span style='color:windowtext;text-decoration:none'>http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html</span></a></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> </p><p class=MsoPlainText>> --</p><p class=MsoPlainText>> </p><p class=MsoPlainText>> References</p><p class=MsoPlainText>> ! </p><p class=MsoPlainText>> 1. <a href="http://www.cs.dartmouth.e! du/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html"><span style='color:windowtext;text-decoration:none'>http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html</span></a></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p></div></body></html> ------=_NextPart_001_000E_01CD0C13.766DED40-- --