----- Forwarded Message ----- From: Martyn Hodgson <[email protected]> To: David Van Edwards <[email protected]> Cc: 'LuteNet list' <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, 21 June 2013, 8:16 Subject: Re: [LUTE] Re: The "golden" rose Dear David, I was under the, perhaps wholly mistaken, impression that 'The loss of the golden rose lute' found in the Burwell MS was some other association rather then the actual gilding of the lute rose. For example it could be linked to the papal rose of the name, see [1]http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/06629a.htm or [2]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_Rose Or maybe other associations from antiquity. Just a thought................... regards Martyn __________________________________________________________________
From: David Van Edwards <[email protected]> To: Luca Manassero <[email protected]> Cc: 'LuteNet list' <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, 20 June 2013, 20:13 Subject: [LUTE] Re: The "golden" rose Dear Luca, Yes there are 8 surviving lutes that I know of with gilded roses. 1. The 16th century lute by Wolfgang Wolf currently in Fuessen Museum has a gilded rose. Impossible to say if it is original as it has certainly been roughly gilded since then. 2.Lute by Jakob Langenwalder [Fuessen 1627] in Kremsmuenster, Benediktinerstift 3.Lute by Georg Greiff [Fuessen 1590] in Darmstadt, Hessisches Landesmuseum Kg 67: 103 (Orig M.I. 29) 4. Miniature lute by Magno Dieffobruchar, Venice, c.1600 in Paris, Musee de Cluny 2092 5. Lute by Stefan Pradter, Prague 1675 in Innsbruck, Schloss Ambras, 622 6. Lute by Basilio Smit, Milan, in Fuessen, Museum der Stadt Fuessen, 4308 has a gilded rim to its triple rose. 7. Lute by Magnus Hellmer 1609 Fuessen, in Darmstadt, Hessisches Landesmuseum, Kg 67:104 8. Anonymous lute in Bologna, Museo Civico Medievale, 1814 Best wishes, David At 16:11 +0200 20/6/13, Luca Manassero wrote: > Dear list, > a few years ago I saw pictures of a lute built by a well known > british lutemaker and showing a really beautiful golden rose. > Baroque lutenists certainly know about the Allemande of Ennemond > Gaultier (Vieux Gaultier) "La roze d'or" also known as "The loss of the > golden rose lute". > My question is: have you any news (or iconographc evidence) of > (original) lutes with a golden rose? > Thank you in advance, > Luca > > >To get on or off this list see list information at >[3]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- The Smokehouse, 6 Whitwell Road, Norwich, NR1 4HB England. Telephone: + 44 (0)1603 629899 Website: [4]http://www.vanedwards.co.uk -- References 1. http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/06629a.htm 2. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_Rose 3. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html 4. http://www.vanedwards.co.uk/
