Dear David,
The piece appears in Chapter XV (f.69-87) of the MS 'Concerning the art
of setting Lessons uppon the Lute'.
I'm not sure if you'll find anything to elaborate on what precisely was
meant by the 'golden rose' lute (ie an actual gilded rose or possibly
some other association), since it says nothing about the 'Golden Rose
Lute' itself but merely precedes the relevant piece with the
words: 'The loss of the golden rose lute; a lesson of Old Gaultier upon
the goat's tuning'
Incidentally, you may find Dart's modern transcription (which is
accurate as far as I can see) easier to read; it appeared in the 1958
Galpin Soc journal.
regards
Martyn
__________________________________________________________________
From: Martyn Hodgson <[email protected]>
To: Lute Dmth <[email protected]>
Sent: Friday, 21 June 2013, 16:37
Subject: [LUTE] Re: The "golden" rose
----- Forwarded Message -----
From: Martyn Hodgson <[1][email protected]>
To: David Van Edwards <[2][email protected]>
Cc: 'LuteNet list' <[3][email protected]>
Sent: Friday, 21 June 2013, 8:16
Subject: Re: [LUTE] Re: The "golden" rose
Dear David,
I was under the, perhaps wholly mistaken, impression that 'The loss
of
the golden rose lute' found in the Burwell MS was some other
association rather then the actual gilding of the lute rose. For
example it could be linked to the papal rose of the name, see
[1][4]http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/06629a.htm
or
[2][5]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_Rose
Or maybe other associations from antiquity. Just a
thought...................
regards
Martyn
__________________________________________________________________
From: David Van Edwards <[6][email protected]>
To: Luca Manassero <[7][email protected]>
Cc: 'LuteNet list' <[8][email protected]>
Sent: Thursday, 20 June 2013, 20:13
Subject: [LUTE] Re: The "golden" rose
Dear Luca,
Yes there are 8 surviving lutes that I know of with gilded roses.
1. The 16th century lute by Wolfgang Wolf
currently in Fuessen Museum has a gilded rose.
Impossible to say if it is original as it has
certainly been roughly gilded since then.
2.Lute by Jakob Langenwalder [Fuessen 1627] in Kremsmuenster,
Benediktinerstift
3.Lute by Georg Greiff [Fuessen 1590] in
Darmstadt, Hessisches Landesmuseum Kg 67: 103
(Orig M.I. 29)
4. Miniature lute by Magno Dieffobruchar, Venice,
c.1600 in Paris, Musee de Cluny 2092
5. Lute by Stefan Pradter, Prague 1675 in Innsbruck, Schloss Ambras,
622
6. Lute by Basilio Smit, Milan, in Fuessen, Museum
der Stadt Fuessen, 4308 has a gilded rim to its
triple rose.
7. Lute by Magnus Hellmer 1609 Fuessen, in
Darmstadt, Hessisches Landesmuseum, Kg 67:104
8. Anonymous lute in Bologna, Museo Civico Medievale, 1814
Best wishes,
David
At 16:11 +0200 20/6/13, Luca Manassero wrote:
> Dear list,
> a few years ago I saw pictures of a lute built by a well
known
> british lutemaker and showing a really beautiful golden rose.
> Baroque lutenists certainly know about the Allemande of Ennemond
> Gaultier (Vieux Gaultier) "La roze d'or" also known as "The loss
of the
> golden rose lute".
> My question is: have you any news (or iconographc evidence) of
> (original) lutes with a golden rose?
> Thank you in advance,
> Luca
>
>
>To get on or off this list see list information at
>[3][9]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
--
The Smokehouse,
6 Whitwell Road,
Norwich, NR1 4HB
England.
Telephone: + 44 (0)1603 629899
Website: [4][10]http://www.vanedwards.co.uk
--
References
1. [11]http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/06629a.htm
2. [12]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_Rose
3. [13]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
4. [14]http://www.vanedwards.co.uk/
--
References
1. mailto:[email protected]
2. mailto:[email protected]
3. mailto:[email protected]
4. http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/06629a.htm
5. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_Rose
6. mailto:[email protected]
7. mailto:[email protected]
8. mailto:[email protected]
9. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
10. http://www.vanedwards.co.uk/
11. http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/06629a.htm
12. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_Rose
13. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
14. http://www.vanedwards.co.uk/
