Well into CG territory, I once saw some p-i fingerings by Vahdah Olcott
Bickford- but no reason to assume thumb-under. (Those of us who have
mastered LATE Renaissance lute technique find p - i runs to be just as
fast and- except for some course crossing in descending passagi- just
as "easy" as thumb-under/inside.)
A little historical footnote interest, as long as we are slightly
0ff-topic here- and not that un-relevant to debates involving
different historical techniques anyway:
[1]"Re: Vahdah Olcott-Bickford
[2]Post by [3]charlesivey >> Saturday 06 September 2008, 05:11 am
I've read several historical mentions of and by Ms. Bickford, including
some that would be a bit out of vogue today. If I remember correctly,
she was not particularly impressed (initially) with the dreadful way
some Spanish guitarists, notably Segovia, departed from the old style
and used rest strokes and an unsupported right hand position. This is
from a vague memory of a letter she wrote that was republished years
ago in Soundboard -- and I could have it all wrong. If so, I apologize
profusely."
On 8/5/2014 3:00 PM, David van Ooijen wrote:
Sor advocated some sort of p/i for some pieces. His hand position was
"sort of" thumb under, as far as I understand it. Many disclaimers in
this statement, but just to say it's not a crazy thing to do. On a
period guitar. But we're drifting into OT CG territory here. ;-)
David
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On 5 August 2014 23:34, Tony [5]<[3]ascbrigh...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
A A Doug and Tobiah
A A Just out of curiosity I attempted thumb-under lute technique on
my CG.
A A I needed to raise the pinky with a lightly stuck-on pencil
eraser (due
A A to the raised soundboard the strings are high). Apart from
that, no
A A problem, it was easy and sounded reasonably good though
subdued.
A A
A __________________________________________________________________
A A From: Doug Asherman [6]<[4]dashe...@sonic.net>
A A To: lutelist Net [7]<[5]Lute@cs.dartmouth.edu>
A A Sent: Tuesday, 5 August 2014, 17:35
A A Subject: [LUTE] Re: those Pignoses!
A A On 8/4/14 6:12 PM, howard posner wrote:
A A > On Aug 4, 2014, at 1:54 PM, Tobiah [8]<[1][6]t...@tobiah.org>
wrote:
A A >
A A > Our ears are in tune with a different set of practices
A A > now (at least the general public). A Perhaps if we looked up
from
A A anthropology
A A > It's not anthropology. A It's the instruction manual. A If
you pay
A A thousands of dollars for an instrument (and millions of dollars
for
A A strings), you should at least read it.
A A >
A A There's an instruction manual? Why am I spending all this money
on
A A lessons?
A A As a long-time guitar player (~40 years) and a raw beginner on
the lute
A A (slightly more than a year), I'm in favor of the pinky on the
A A soundboard
A A position. A For me, at least, it makes rest strokes with the
thumb
A A easier; and a decent rest stroke with the thumb makes it easier
to play
A A a consistently strong melody line.
A A I can't really discuss right and wrong technique here, since I
am a
A A beginner; I can only talk about what works for me. If I tried
to play
A A the lute the same way I play guitar, I wouldn't be making much
A A progress.
A A Doug
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