Thanks William, very interesting and I like your suggestion to cajole a student into doing the donkey work - would I could find someone so gullible!
Martyn __________________________________________________________________ From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu <lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu> on behalf of William Brohinsky <tiorbin...@gmail.com> Sent: 04 October 2016 17:08 To: Lute NET Subject: [LUTE] Re: Creating a short score from pdf full score I think, Martin, you might find it difficult to find software which can follow any score at random, choosing the proper parts out page after page, to combine into a different document. In fact, I think that most people in the world couldn't successfully do this, because the people who typeset scores aren't doing anything to make it easier for a machine to extract and recombine parts. You describe the problem well: "a 165 page full score with up to 30 independent parts/lines to cut and paste into a short score of just four principal lines would seem to take a long time to achieve â" Between different movements and different textures, combined with the publisher's desire to reduce useless all-rest lines and format the result meaningfully to a conductor or student/studier and the possibilities of ossiae, editorial marks, etc, within a single score, and the software creator's desire to have a program which isn't limited to converting only one publisher's output (or, for that matter, one single score!) it is very difficult to create a one-program-does-all-the-thinking approach. By offloading the selection of which lines to be kept and decoding which parts are in each system, and the other things you describe, a program which has a chance of succeeding with many publisher's output and many different score layouts, editorial additions and insertions and alternates, fonts and system markings is possible. It might be that an AI-controlled program trained to understand these things as we do will become available in another decade or three, but it is hard to say that it would be more effective than a monkey with a razer blade and a pot of glue. And it probably won't get the job done in time for your project. What you need is to infuse a graduate student or a young teen with the desire to prove how great [1]partifi.org is, and to snooker them into proving it with your score. â On Tue, Oct 4, 2016 at 3:57 AM, Martyn Hodgson <[2]hodgsonmar...@cs.dartmouth.edu> wrote: Dear David and Bruno, Many thanks for this. I've looked at Partifi now: it seems mostly to have been designed to produce individual parts from a full score although there does seem to be the facility to combine some. But the need to have to label every line and specify a part on every single page might make the whole thing a bit labourious for what I wish to do. eg a 165 page full score with up to 30 independent parts/lines to cut and paste into a short score of just four principal lines would seem to take a long time to achieve - unless I've missed some easier facility within Partifi. But many thanks Martyn ____________________________________________________________ ______ From: David van Ooijen <[3]davidvanooi...@gmail.com> To: MJ Hodgson <[4]mjhodg...@hotmail.co.uk> Cc: Lute NET <[5]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu> Sent: Monday, 3 October 2016, 15:18 Subject: [LUTE] Re: Creating a short score from pdf full score My mistake. Here's the correct link [1][1][6]http://partifi.org/ David On Monday, 3 October 2016, David van Ooijen <[2][2][7]davidvanooi...@gmail.com> wrote: Partify com or org, don't know). On Monday, 3 October 2016, MJ Hodgson <[1][3][3][8]mjhodg...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote: I'd be grateful for advice on the best (free) software for creating a new short score from an existing pdf full score. What I mean is being able to copy two or three principal lines and the bass onto a new pdf page of, say, a 30 part mass which already exists as a pdf . I presume there's some where one can scroll over a line, copy it and paste onto a new pdf and so, by digitally cutting and pasting, create a new short score more useful to a theorbo player who finds dealing with page turns every few bars not really practicable (unlike keyboard where the right hand can turn). 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