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From: Martyn Hodgson <hodgsonmar...@cs.dartmouth.edu>
To: Anthony Hart <anthony.hart1...@gmail.com>
Sent: Tuesday, 6 June 2017, 7:40
Subject: Re: [LUTE] Tiorbino
Dear Anthony,
Extant instruments can be a minefield - what were they considered as
originally?; have they been altered?, etc.......
A few ruminations:
Examining early iconographic sources can sometimes be more revealing
than extant instruments. For example, if you haven't already, have a
look at Castaldi's 1622 book which is for 'TIORBAE' and 'TIORBINO'. The
frontispiece shows one single strung theorbo significantly larger than
the other (estimated stopped string length ratio 0.73 so that, for
example, if the larger instrument had a stopped string length of 93cm,
say, then the smaller one would be around 68cm). Both are single strung
on the upper and lower pegboxes.
Similarly, a fine engraved plate shows Castaldi with a relatively small
theorbo type instrument which, I suggest, is also a tiorbino - this
seems to be disposed 6 + 6 (all single). I estimate, from inter-ocular
distance and forearm length, a stopped string length of around 70cm).
This length seems far too small for a A tuned tiorba but, perhaps, a
bit too big for a tiorbino tuned an octave higher - though I don't
think we should get too carried away by the notion that (like viol
chests) the octave instrument must have been exactly half the size of
the larger. Indeed the larger instrument might have been pitched lower
than normal for such small scale chamber duets, where projecting power
was not a principal factor, ie an octave below the smaller - whatever
the nominal pitch of this was.
Again, the next plate clearly shows a smaller instrument being played:
one, that being played by the standing man, seems close to lute size of
the period and place (say, stopped around 63cm) but, puzzlingly, the
larger is not very much larger and, again I'd reckon this at around
70cm stopped length (similar to that being played by Castaldi). In
short, it doesn't seem to represent a large continuo (A tuned) tiorba
being played with an octave instrument - perhaps another tiorbino but
of slightly different size? Or maybe the engraver simply reduced the
size to fit it on the page! Both instrument appear to be seem single
strung throughout
As said, all these are simply ruminations - but intriguing
nevertheless.
Martyn
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From: Anthony Hart <anthony.hart1...@gmail.com>
To: lute <lute@cs.dartmouth.edu>
Sent: Monday, 5 June 2017, 20:50
Subject: [LUTE] Tiorbino
A question about tiobino. The Cleveland Tiorbino on Wayne's site
shows
6 +8. The bases are single strung. What is the opinion of this set
up?
If the basses are double should they be unison or octaves?
There was a question earlier of the thiness of the 'b' (3rd). If the
tension is reduced then this becomes a standard thickness. I have
calculated on 20/25 N, this was the tension recommended by Martin
Shepherd for Liuto attiobato, which is the same size instrument.
Any suggestions welcome.
Thanks and best wishes
Anthony Hart
[1][1]anthony.hart1...@gmail.com
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