Well stated, Howard. I have NOT heard the recording, but I shall
order it, as i really like Nigel's interpretations of Francesco. I
seem to recall Nigel stating some time ago that the vihuela was an alto
in "a", so the instruments ought not sound the same. I shall find
out.
On Mon, Aug 27, 2018 at 1:41 PM howard posner
<[1]howardpos...@ca.rr.com> wrote:
Maybe it's time to be reminded that nobody has said the vihuela
can't be distinguished from the lute in this recording. Ed asked
which cuts were on vihuela and which were on lute precisely because
he HADN'T heard the recording, something that got lost early in the
discussion (and was lost on me when I chimed in).
So someone considering buying the recording need not be concerned
with whether the engineer was ignorant and opinionated, or indeed
with whether NIgel wanted to make the two instruments sound similar.
> On Aug 27, 2018, at 12:55 AM, Martyn Hodgson
<[2]hodgsonmar...@cs.dartmouth.edu> wrote:
>
> Indeed, I agree. Which is why I put the similarity in sound
down to
> things other than how the two instruments were constructed -
things
> like the engineer, incorrectly and through ignorance, modifying
the
> sound so that the two instruments sound very similar.
> Of course, it may be that NN had his viola belly constructed
like a
> lute ......
> MH
>
__________________________________________________________________
>
> From: SW <[3]s.wa...@ntlworld.com>
> To: Martyn Hodgson <[4]hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk>; Sean Smith
> <[5]lutesm...@gmail.com>; lutelist Net
<[6]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu>
> Sent: Monday, 27 August 2018, 8:24
> Subject: [LUTE] Re: Nigel's Francesco vol 2
> My knowledge of instrument making is limited but lute and
vihuela
> construction are somewhat different. Obviously the body shape
is
> different but a lute has a very thin soundboard with a fairly
> complicated barring system. According to Alfonso Marin the
vihuela has
> just two bars and a thicker soundboard (maybe 3mms in places).
> It might be expected that there would be some audible
difference in
> sound.
> On 27 August 2018, at 07:21, Martyn Hodgson
> <[1][7]hodgsonmar...@cs.dartmouth.edu> wrote:
> It may, of course, simply be down to a self-opionated
sound/recording
> engineeer. Some of these seem ignorant of what period
instruments
> actually sound like in the flesh and seek their own
subjective
> recording 'balance' and tonal qualities. They, in their
ignorance,
> may
> even think a viola da mano 'should' sound like a lute and
make the
> necessary adjustments
> MH
>
__________________________________________________________________
> From: Sean Smith <[2][8]lutesm...@gmail.com>
> To: lute <[3][9]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu>
> Sent: Sunday, 26 August 2018, 18:41
> Subject: [LUTE] Re: Nigel's Francesco vol 2
> If we cannot hear the differences between the two
instruments from
> a
> recorded performance, what conclusions should we draw? Is
the
> difference more apparent when we are in the same room?
Should we
> suspect they have been mixed (deliberately? inadvertently?)
to make
> them more similar?
> Sean
> On Sat, Aug 25, 2018, 5:37 AM Edward Martin
> <[1][1][4][10]edvihuel...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> Dear ones,
> I was asked to provide the answer to the list, so
here it is:
> Nigel plays on both kinds of instrument:
approximately 2/3 of
> the
> pieces on lute; the rest on viola da Mano (vihuela).
> ---------- Forwarded message ---------
> From: Christopher Stetson
> <[1][2][2][5][11]christophertstet...@gmail.com>
> Date: Fri, Aug 24, 2018 at 11:20 PM
> Subject: Re: [LUTE] Nigel's Francesco vol 2
> To: Edward Martin
<[2][3][3][6][12]edvihuel...@gmail.com>
> Edward,
> Can you share the answer to the list, for the
curious?
> Thanks,
> Chris.
> On Fri, Aug 24, 2018 at 9:24 PM, Edward Martin
> <[3][4][4][7][13]edvihuel...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Dear ones,
> My inquiry was answered, thanks to Steven, Steve,
and
> Andrew.
> Thanks
> to all 3!
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