I agree with you too Howard - well up to a point (end of first para).
But when you say 'So someone considering buying the recording need not
be concerned with whether the engineer was ignorant and opinionated,
or indeed with whether NIgel wanted to make the two instruments sound
similar.', do you really mean to say that a prospective purchaser
shouldn't try and find out something of what a recording is like before
shelling out any cash....
MH
__________________________________________________________________
From: howard posner <howardpos...@ca.rr.com>
To: lutelist Net <lute@cs.dartmouth.edu>
Sent: Monday, 27 August 2018, 19:43
Subject: [LUTE] Re: Nigel's Francesco vol 2
Maybe it's time to be reminded that nobody has said the vihuela can't
be distinguished from the lute in this recording. Ed asked which cuts
were on vihuela and which were on lute precisely because he HADN'T
heard the recording, something that got lost early in the discussion
(and was lost on me when I chimed in).
So someone considering buying the recording need not be concerned with
whether the engineer was ignorant and opinionated, or indeed with
whether NIgel wanted to make the two instruments sound similar.
> On Aug 27, 2018, at 12:55 AM, Martyn Hodgson
<[1]hodgsonmar...@cs.dartmouth.edu> wrote:
>
> Indeed, I agree. Which is why I put the similarity in sound down to
> things other than how the two instruments were constructed - things
> like the engineer, incorrectly and through ignorance, modifying the
> sound so that the two instruments sound very similar.
> Of course, it may be that NN had his viola belly constructed like a
> lute ......
> MH
> __________________________________________________________________
>
> From: SW <[2]s.wa...@ntlworld.com>
> To: Martyn Hodgson <[3]hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk>; Sean Smith
> <[4]lutesm...@gmail.com>; lutelist Net <[5]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu>
> Sent: Monday, 27 August 2018, 8:24
> Subject: [LUTE] Re: Nigel's Francesco vol 2
> My knowledge of instrument making is limited but lute and vihuela
> construction are somewhat different. Obviously the body shape is
> different but a lute has a very thin soundboard with a fairly
> complicated barring system. According to Alfonso Marin the vihuela
has
> just two bars and a thicker soundboard (maybe 3mms in places).
> It might be expected that there would be some audible difference in
> sound.
> On 27 August 2018, at 07:21, Martyn Hodgson
> <[1][6]hodgsonmar...@cs.dartmouth.edu> wrote:
> It may, of course, simply be down to a self-opionated
sound/recording
> engineeer. Some of these seem ignorant of what period instruments
> actually sound like in the flesh and seek their own subjective
> recording 'balance' and tonal qualities. They, in their ignorance,
> may
> even think a viola da mano 'should' sound like a lute and make the
> necessary adjustments
> MH
>
__________________________________________________________________
> From: Sean Smith <[2][7]lutesm...@gmail.com>
> To: lute <[3][8]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu>
> Sent: Sunday, 26 August 2018, 18:41
> Subject: [LUTE] Re: Nigel's Francesco vol 2
> If we cannot hear the differences between the two instruments
from
> a
> recorded performance, what conclusions should we draw? Is the
> difference more apparent when we are in the same room? Should we
> suspect they have been mixed (deliberately? inadvertently?) to
make
> them more similar?
> Sean
> On Sat, Aug 25, 2018, 5:37 AM Edward Martin
> <[1][1][4][9]edvihuel...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> Dear ones,
> I was asked to provide the answer to the list, so here it
is:
> Nigel plays on both kinds of instrument: approximately 2/3
of
> the
> pieces on lute; the rest on viola da Mano (vihuela).
> ---------- Forwarded message ---------
> From: Christopher Stetson
> <[1][2][2][5][10]christophertstet...@gmail.com>
> Date: Fri, Aug 24, 2018 at 11:20 PM
> Subject: Re: [LUTE] Nigel's Francesco vol 2
> To: Edward Martin <[2][3][3][6][11]edvihuel...@gmail.com>
> Edward,
> Can you share the answer to the list, for the curious?
> Thanks,
> Chris.
> On Fri, Aug 24, 2018 at 9:24 PM, Edward Martin
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> Dear ones,
> My inquiry was answered, thanks to Steven, Steve, and
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> Thanks
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