Many thanks!!
Monica
> On 05 June 2020 at 09:16 Martyn Hodgson <hodgsonmar...@mail.cs.dartmouth.edu>
> wrote:
>
>
> see here
> [1]A-Wn MusHs 17706
>
> [scribd.png]
>
> A-Wn MusHs 17706
>
> Note the tiorba works are copied from the last leaf of the book going
> forwards
> M
>
> On Friday, 5 June 2020, 08:58:49 BST, Monica Hall
> <mjlh...@mail.cs.dartmouth.edu> wrote:
> I was wondering about that as I don't actually have a copy of this
> particular ms. only the Goess ms.
> Monica
> > On 05 June 2020 at 08:45 "[2]s.wa...@ntlworld.com"
> <[3]s.wa...@ntlworld.com> wrote:
> >
> > It would be very interesting to see what this music looks like.
> Are there any images online?
> >
> > Sent from my Huawei phone
> >
> >
> > -------- Original message --------
> > From: Martyn Hodgson <[4]hodgsonmar...@mail.cs.dartmouth.edu>
> > Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2020, 08:21
> > To: [5]yuval.dvo...@posteo.de, LuteList
> <[6]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu>, Monica Hall <[7]mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk>,
> Roland Hayes <[8]rha...@legalaidbuffalo.org>
> > Subject: [LUTE] Re: Bartolotti music for theorbo
> >
> > ?space?-- Dear Roland,
> Bartolotti's precise dates seem unknown at present but c.1630 - 1682
> may be a reasonable estimate. The inclusion of works for lute by Losy
> (b.1650) and Ginter(b.1661) in the earlier part of this Ms suggests a
> date around 1680/90 for its compilation.
> The tiorba was, of course, a widely employed instrument for continuo
> in
> this period and, in my view, it's unsurprising that a few pieces for
> solo instruments by various unidentified tiorba players, as well as
> famed players such as Bartolotti, shouldn't turn up in collections
> from
> time to time.
> Petyer Steur suggests the lute piece on f.26v (Gigue de Angelin de
> Rome) is by A M Bartolotii but this may be simply speculation around
> similar word association.
> regards,
> Martyn
> On Thursday, 4 June 2020, 20:53:14 BST, Roland Hayes
> <[9]rha...@legalaidbuffalo.org> wrote:
> While the unascribed pieces could by someone else, they surely play
> and
> sound like Bartolotti.
> Is there any other theorbo player from that time that we know of,
> who
> could match the style and technique of these pieces?
> r
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> From: [1][10]lute-...@new-old-mail.cs.dartmouth.edu
> <[2][11]lute-...@new-old-mail.cs.dartmouth.edu> on behalf of Monica
> Hall
> <[3][12]mjlh...@mail.cs.dartmouth.edu>
> Sent: Thursday, June 4, 2020 3:10:50 PM
> To: [4][13]yuval.dvo...@posteo.de <[5][14]yuval.dvo...@posteo.de>;
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> Subject: [LUTE] Re: Bartolotti music for theorbo
> Thanks for this.
> I have the Moscardi edition but he doesn't give any reasons for
> thinking the pieces are by Bartolotti.
> Unfortunately with lockdown I can't visit the library to check any
> other sources but if I do eventually find some evidence I will let
> you
> know.
> Cheers
> Monica
> > On 04 June 2020 at 17:03 [7][16]yuval.dvo...@posteo.de wrote:
> >
> >
> > Maybe it's worth to take a look on some of the literature? There
> is:
> >
> > Boetticher: RISM B VII, p. 351-352 (rather useless, but he gives
> a
> bunch
> > of literature which I don't know)
> > Meyer (ed.): Sources Manuscrites en Tablature III/1, S. 121-125
> (he
> > doesn't give any information on the other theorbo pieces, but I
> > apparently in the lute part of the mansucript there's a piece by
> > "Angelin de Rome" which Meyer supposed to identify as Bartolotti
> as
> > well. And also there you'll find a lot of literature.)
> > And there's a new edition by Massimo Moscardo: âA. M.
> Bartolotti,
> Pià ¨ces
> > pour thà ©orbe", Paris (SFL) 1995, which could be worth to check!
> >
> > Please keep us informed, in fact I'm very curious what you're
> going
> to
> > find on this subject :-)
> > Yuval
> >
> > Am 04.06.2020 17:45 schrieb Monica Hall:
> > > Thanks Martyn
> > > That's very helpful.
> > > Regards
> > > Monica
> > >> On 04 June 2020 at 14:35 Martyn Hodgson
> > >> <[8][17]hodgsonmar...@mail.cs.dartmouth.edu> wrote:
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Dear Monica,
> > >> No - I don't know if there are any grounds for attributing
> the
> > >> other
> > >> tiorba pieces in this Ms to Bartolotti other than, of
> course,
> being
> > >> adjacent in the same Ms. Incidentally the attribution of
> the
> > >> Allemande
> > >> (Allemanda di Angelo Michiele) is on f.89r. not 92r.
> > >> The following Corrente with a variatione on 88r to 87v
> (reversed
> > >> folios) seems stylistically very close to the Allemanda, as
> does
> > >> the
> > >> concluding Sarabanda with its variatione, so I'd be happy
> to
> accept
> > >> these as part of a suite by the same composer AM. The fact
> that
> > >> the
> > >> earlier Ms pieces for tiorba (ie from 92 to 89) do not have
> the
> > >> attribution to AM might suggest they're not by him, but....
> > >> regards,
> > >> Martyn
> > >>
> > >> On Thursday, 4 June 2020, 09:56:59 BST, Monica Hall
> > >> <[9][18]mjlh...@mail.cs.dartmouth.edu> wrote:
> > >> Ms. 17706 in the Austrian National Library in Vienna
> includes
> 10
> > >> pieces
> > >> for theorbo usually attributed to Bartolotti. The Allemanda
> on
> > >> f.92r is
> > >> attributed to Angelo Michiele. Does anyone know on what
> grounds
> the
> > >> other nine pieces are attributed to Bartolotti?
> > >> Thanks
> > >> Monica
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