Ahhh sorry Fugu. I have updated my local notes. On my wiki I just have
links to the oshpark items already, and the ones that arcadeshopper has.
Thanks for these btw.


You can download gerbers (or whatever the source files are, for example
oshpark accepts kicad files too not just eagle or gerber) of shared designs
from oshpark. There is a download link that gives you a zip file.


...and now the ebay seller has replied to my initial message with "Hover
the mouse over the 1st photo and read the text, please."


Well... a few things...

1) What a nice technicality, barely, even on a pc where that presumably
works, it's about the best example of deniability you can imagine.
Technically providing the info, yet in a manner that no one will ever
actually see.

2) That's on a PC where it even works at all. It does not work on either
the andoroid or ios apps, nor the website when viewed on a phone or tablet.

3) Except in fact, now I am actually at my laptop, and I still do not see
anything which points to the oshpark item when I hover the mouse (now that
there IS one) over the 1st pic, by any definition you want to come up with
for "1st pic", either it's thumbnail or the expanded full size version,
either the 1st pic of all the ones on the listing, or the 1st pic of the 2
that came from oshpark, or indeed any pic at all. So much for THAT excuse...


... and by now they have replied again and they seem at least reasonable.


Here is our entire thread so far:


---begin---

Me (opening message, referring to the M600 96K pcb):

I think it would be considerate if you gave attribution to show where this
pcb came from.


Seller:

Hover the mouse over the 1st photo and read the text, please.


Me:

I will try that the next time I am at a laptop, but there is nothing at all
about the oshpark item or the designer Jayeson Lee-Steere visible from the
ebay android or ios apps, nor the ebay web site on a phone or tablet, by
any means, even for example long-press on the image.


This particular item is public domain, so, that's why I only use the word
"considerate" in this case. I only care about it because I happen to be the
one who asked the designer to design it in the first place, and the oshpark
pictures are actually from me building and testing it.


But what about for example the Model100 ram module which is also shared on
oshpark, but is clearly declared copyright the designer (who I happen to
already know does not have any sort of manufacturing & sales deal set up
with anyone, other than by posting on oshpark.)


I think most of these people don't actually mind if someone else produces
and sells these pcbs, and don't demand a piece of the proceeds, which is
why not giving them even so little as the mere accreditation bothers me.


Seller:

Hi,


Thanks for the note. I probably miss the bottom images of some of the
boards, which can contain information of the authors. I will post them
accordingly. I never take out any credit. For example, the TI99 Flashrom
board, I mention the name of the author in the listing.


If you know if any other boards, besides the Model 100 RAM board, please
let me know and I will do so.


Thank you.

---end---


Well, good enough I guess.

Not really asking for more than that.



On Mon, Feb 25, 2019 at 11:23 PM Fugu ME100 <b4me...@hotmail.com> wrote:

> The second one is actually my design.   Although it does not provide 96K
> only a regular 8K module for the M100.
>
> Curious as to how it was copied from OSHpark, they would have to get the
> gerbers?  OSHPark provide 3 for $6.30 and free shipping,  so the ebayer is
> quite expensive.
>
> I guess they left my Copyright on :)
>
> From: M100 <m100-boun...@lists.bitchin100.com> on behalf of Brian White <
> bw.al...@gmail.com>
> Reply-To: <m...@bitchin100.com>
> Date: Monday, February 25, 2019 at 7:51 PM
> To: Model 100 Discussion <m100@lists.bitchin100.com>
> Subject: [M100] ebay seller
>
> Is this somebody here, or does anyone recogize or know them?
> http://ebay.com/itm/113662788499/
> <https://eur01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Febay.com%2Fitm%2F113662788499%2F&data=02%7C01%7C%7C60d709a61b724c281cd608d69b9db88b%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636867499033337348&sdata=Df6Cv99X0%2BE%2B%2B%2BVjczXBvpOzfC%2FoSeLsZfjX9Ze7%2Bzk%3D&reserved=0>
>
> They are not violating any actual laws, because this pcb design is
> explicitly placed in the public domain. It's just that it would be at least
> minimally considerate to give a little attribution where they got something
> from.
>
> They even (re)used the pictures right from the original oshpark listing:
> https://oshpark.com/shared_projects/8HMgno1x
> <https://eur01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Foshpark.com%2Fshared_projects%2F8HMgno1x&data=02%7C01%7C%7C60d709a61b724c281cd608d69b9db88b%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636867499033347353&sdata=hUSoBuMlvpD5cvc4pjH2%2FajGrsgrJsRvhyJo7b2agTc%3D&reserved=0>
>
> The designer (and oshpark account) is Jayeson Lee-Steere and the oshpark
> pics came from me.
> The ebay seller is not Jayeson nor does he know them, so it's not a deal
> he set up with the seller.
>
> Same seller:
> http://ebay.com/itm/113662802362/
> <https://eur01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Febay.com%2Fitm%2F113662802362%2F&data=02%7C01%7C%7C60d709a61b724c281cd608d69b9db88b%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636867499033357364&sdata=%2B6qsnUPGaRA28F%2F6QvoNA6dAW9Uq2Kzjs5rMqgQWw8s%3D&reserved=0>
> and the origin:
> https://oshpark.com/shared_projects/V0tpeuMg
> <https://eur01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Foshpark.com%2Fshared_projects%2FV0tpeuMg&data=02%7C01%7C%7C60d709a61b724c281cd608d69b9db88b%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636867499033367369&sdata=lqJNf%2FtgqvCRKVrPfgvJJvwqOyn%2Bh4lxQILQYeu6rr8%3D&reserved=0>
>
> That one actually says copyright right on it. I believe this one is Steven
> Adolph right?
>
> --
> bkw
>
>

-- 
bkw

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