Here we go again... I’m about ready to unsubscribe from this mailing list. There’s plenty of great content and projects, but if large flame wars are going to become a standard feature, I’m out.
Sent from my TRS-80 Model 100 > On Feb 26, 2019, at 10:35 AM, Brian White <bw.al...@gmail.com> wrote: > > I'm just surprised you are so consistently inventing strange ways to > interpret what I say, even though I don't believe I am leaving any ambiguity > about my meanings or motives. > > Let's unpack, point by specific point, just so that no one can accuse me of > simple insults or name-calling: > > * "I'm just surprised that something as minor as attribution got you riled > up" > > Why would that be surprising? Nothing I have ever said or done implies that I > don't care about attribution. > > I'll allow "riled up", even though it's over already and the level was never > high. Now I'm "riled up" over, something and someone else. ;) > It's a vague enough term that it can apply to a casual comment or a death > threat. > > * "- should have put your name(s) on the silkscreen." > > Why do you suggest I do that? It's not my design and I never said it was, and > even further I did say whos it was. You can't arrive at this even by > implication or omission. > > * "Your comment about side deal also struck me as a bit surprising" > > What is so interesting? What strange nefarious thing did you think I was > saying? All I was doing was listing possible explainations for a thing just > to examine and eliminate them. What's so interesting about that? > > * "- Oshpark is based on free sharing." > > Yes. What bearing does this observation have on anything I've said? (ever > really, not just in this thread) > > It's almost like you are trying to find any sort of excuse to have a problem > where there is none. > But, when this goes on for the next 64 posts over 4 days, it'll be my fault. > > -- > bkw > > > >> On Tue, Feb 26, 2019 at 7:34 AM Stephen Adolph <twospru...@gmail.com> wrote: >> I'm just surprised that something as minor as attribution got you riled up - >> should have put your name(s) on the silkscreen. Your comment about side deal >> also struck me as a bit surprising - Oshpark is based on free sharing. >> >> >> >>> On Tue, Feb 26, 2019 at 2:03 AM Brian White <bw.al...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> It was public from the beginning. Jayeson made it after I asked on FB if >>> anyone could/would do so. I sent him the interface information and a >>> working original sample, and eventually a whole not-quite-working model 600 >>> as a gift (shipping to AU was worth a lot more than the M600 even if it was >>> fully working), and after a couple revisions he emailed me gerbers as well >>> as created the >>> oshpark entry, I built a set and tested them in a working M600, alone and >>> combined with an original module in the same machine, and found no >>> problems, posted some pics of my completed units and gave Jayeson permision >>> to use them in his oshpark entry. I asked if someone wanted to design it >>> under some form of open source license right from the outset. Didn't have >>> to be public domain. I actually would have liked gpl or some version of >>> cc-with-attribution myself, but public domain is certainly "gpl or free-er". >>> >>> I already articulated the concern, and the lowness of it's level, as >>> clearly as I could. What part of "They are not violating any actual laws, >>> because this pcb design is explicitly placed in the public domain. It's >>> just that it would be at least minimally considerate to give a little >>> attribution where they got something from." failed at that? >>> >>> It ain't the end of the world, but does something have to be the end of the >>> world to talk about it? >>> >>>> On Mon, Feb 25, 2019 at 11:11 PM Stephen Adolph <twospru...@gmail.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> Never mind. I see the fine print now. >>>> >>>> So..... it is now public. What is the concern? Someone is >>>> commercializing it. Price is less than oshpark. Sounds like a gòod thing. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> On Monday, February 25, 2019, Stephen Adolph <twospru...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> How waa the design explicitly placed in the public domain? Juat curious. >>>>> De facto via oshpark? >>>>> >>>>> The 2nd one not mine. >>>>> >>>>>> On Monday, February 25, 2019, Brian White <bw.al...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> Is this somebody here, or does anyone recogize or know them? >>>>>> http://ebay.com/itm/113662788499/ >>>>>> >>>>>> They are not violating any actual laws, because this pcb design is >>>>>> explicitly placed in the public domain. It's just that it would be at >>>>>> least minimally considerate to give a little attribution where they got >>>>>> something from. >>>>>> >>>>>> They even (re)used the pictures right from the original oshpark listing: >>>>>> https://oshpark.com/shared_projects/8HMgno1x >>>>>> >>>>>> The designer (and oshpark account) is Jayeson Lee-Steere and the oshpark >>>>>> pics came from me. >>>>>> The ebay seller is not Jayeson nor does he know them, so it's not a deal >>>>>> he set up with the seller. >>>>>> >>>>>> Same seller: >>>>>> http://ebay.com/itm/113662802362/ >>>>>> and the origin: >>>>>> https://oshpark.com/shared_projects/V0tpeuMg >>>>>> >>>>>> That one actually says copyright right on it. I believe this one is >>>>>> Steven Adolph right? >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> bkw >>> >>> >>> -- >>> bkw > > > -- > bkw
