I certainly will ask if I need more information Paula, and thank you for the offer. On 24 Jul 2012, at 23:47, "Paula Hobley" <paula.hob...@bigpond.com> wrote:
> Hi Dónal > > I agree, Blackboard is awful as is ELive! If I can help in any way when you > are reporting the bug, please let me know. > > Take care > > Paula > > > -----Original Message----- > From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net > [mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Dónal Fitzpatrick > Sent: Wednesday, 25 July 2012 6:51 AM > To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility > Subject: Re: changing tab group in java preferences using Voiceover > > Couldn't agree with you more Esther. As someone who's in the field of > higher ed (from the other side I'll grant you) I recognise fully the > importance. Mind you, why any institution would inflict blackboard on its > staff/student cohort is beyond me. It was, is now and forever shall be…. … > hideous! > On 24 Jul 2012, at 18:44, Esther <mori...@mac.com> wrote: > >> Hi Dónal, >> >> You have my permission to use any of my text, and you can also link to the > discussions here using the Mail Archive site. This post doesn't cover the > other issue about not being able to interact with and check/uncheck items in > the tables on the Java Preferences tabs. As Paula also reported, VoiceOver > announces "empty table". I really want to emphasize that university and > college students who are using Blackboard are likely to have to use the Java > Preferences utility when certificates expire or need to be fixed, so if > Apple wants to continue maintaining its presence in the field of higher > education, and also support accessibility there, this has to be fixed. It's > another one of those items that was reported to them previously, but is > becoming more of an issue. >> >> Thanks, >> >> Esther >> >> On Jul 24, 2012, at 7:21 AM, Dónal Fitzpatrick wrote: >> >>> Gordon/ Esther: >>> >>> I'm in the process of filing a bug, however I'd like permission to use > some of Esther's superb text. I won't comment here on anything relating to > mountain lion; just to say that "all that glisters is not gold". >>> >>> Dónal >>> On 24 Jul 2012, at 18:13, Gordon Smith <gor...@mac-access.net> wrote: >>> >>>> Hi Esther >>>> >>>> Yes, so I've now come to understand. Thanks for putting us right. >>>> >>>> Gordon >>>> >>>> On 23 Jul 2012, at 20:40, Esther <mori...@mac.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> This is a genuine accessibility issue with Java Preferences. VoiceOver > doesn't see tabs other than the one that is currently selected, so they > don't show up in item chooser menu, and you can't use it, or any of the > other normal ways to navigate to them and select them. I've posted a > complete solution for Paula on how to use Mouse Keys to navigate to any of > the tabs and select them, because you can move vertically down from the > "Java Preferences" heading in the title bar with Mouse Keys and VoiceOver > will tell you when you have moved over the "Network" tab if you've set the > verbosity to speak items under the mouse cursor by checking that box in the > announcements tab under VoiceOver Utility. Then you can start moving > horizontally with Mouse Keys either to the left or right to navigate to the > other tabs. It's just that it takes a lot of key presses to move this way > -- I think about 32 presses of the "k" key to move down to the edge of the > tabs, and about 75 key presses to mov >>>> e across any tab horizontally. It was only about 10 presses of the "u" > key to move left to the "Security" tab if you moved down from the heading, > but it would take another 75 or so to move to the edge of the "General" tab > in order to click it, which you can do by pressing the "i" key. This will > work every time and go directly to the control you want, but typing out the > explanation of how to set up Mouse Keys and mapping out the number of key > presses takes longer than just moving your cursor with your finger on the > Trackpad, guided by the edge, if you only need to get to one of the tabs. >>>> >>>> Incidentally, the VoiceOver reporting behavior when I navigate onto the > tab group with Mouse Keys also tells me there's an accessibility issue with > the setup. I shouldn't hear the tab reported until I'm directly over it, > but somehow, as I move down towards the tab area, VoiceOver starts reporting > the currently selected tab group, and only identifies the individual tab > names, with "radio button" appended, once I am directly over those tabs. > It's as though the currently selected tab blots out the tab grouping > selection, which is indeed how it appears from the item chooser menu > behavior -- only the currently selected tab, whichever one it is, is visible > to VoiceOver. >>>> >>>> If any list members are working as developers with the Mountain Lion > gold master, please check the behavior of Java Preferences! >>>> >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to > mac-access@mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum > at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> <http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> <http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/>. >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> <http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus > and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting > the list website at: >> <http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/> > > Dónal Fitzpatrick > dfitz...@computing.dcu.ie > > > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to > mac-access@mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at > either the list's own dedicated web archive: > <http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html> > or at the public Mail Archive: > <http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/>. > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > <http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml> > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus > and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting > the list website at: > <http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to > mac-access@mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at > either the list's own dedicated web archive: > <http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html> > or at the public Mail Archive: > <http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/>. > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > <http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml> > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and > worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting > the list website at: > <http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/> Dónal Fitzpatrick dfitz...@computing.dcu.ie <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: <http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html> or at the public Mail Archive: <http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/>. 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