On 24 Jan 2004 at 11:50, Dana Collins wrote: > Greetings all, > New member. I have been following this thread with some interest. > I recently acquired a complete kit of the Apple 12" 166mhz DOS card, > complete with all the cables (inc. the fabled dongle) and software, > including the hacked version of the DOS compatibility software (v 2.1.7 > written by someone whose name escapes me). Also, a colleague with the handle > "Mad Dog" has this web link <http://www.november1981.jmug.org/> (though I > think his server is down at the moment) that explains install procedures. > My question:
Greetings Dana. Thanks for posting that link, a good page [the server must be back up]. Congratulations on your Apple card find with *all* the cables. Should you ever find that you don't require the internal video Ribbon cable, I would be most interested in aquiring it :) > My goal is to slap the card into a beige G3 desktop running at least OS 8.6, > with the DOS card running, I hope, WIN 98(se). > Is this do-able? The writer of the hack seems to think so, but no one ever > explains how to get the OS bumped up from OS 8.1 while retaining the hacked > PC DOS extensions. Upgrading the OS is the easy part. That is, the Apple "PC Setup 1.6.4" software does not get installed by the OS installers. You need to do this manually yourself after you make the OS upgrades. The freeware "PC Setup 2.1.7f" is installed last of all. > Any thoughts? Experiences to share? Personally, I don't think that the "12 inch 166MHz P card" will run in a Beige G3 or later. Why? My theory is the type of RAM used on the DOS card is meaninless to the beige G3, - 5 volt EDO or FPN RAM as opposed to the beige G3's 3 volt PC1xx SDRAM - the electronic componants on the card will most likely also be incompatible. The *other* "12 inch PR 166 card" pulled from a 4400/200, 7220/200 only, can be made to work apparently, because the RAM [and cards] voltage is the same, and by using the "I Wish I Were..." extension hack... Also, although there's a lot of info on-line regarding these DOS cards, there seems to be a great lack of any info about them being used in beige G3s [only a few references to the "12 inch PR 166 card" hack. - I could be totally wrong of course, and am happy to be told so... Just a hunch it can't be done, or it's at least not a straight forward procedure, is all. OTOH, the DOS cards seem to work contentedly with the Macs they were intended to be used in, which have since been upgraded with 3rd party G3/G4 cards. I guess it has a lot to do with the electronics on the mobo, which the DOS cards [and G3/4 upgrade cards] need to be compatible with. There's no problem running these cards under MacOS 8.6 and running Win 98, more RAM on the DOS card the better. Unfortunately Windows 95 runs noticeably faster than Win 98 on this card IMO. Even so, it still beats Virtual PC, speed wise. The only "hiccup" that I've struck with upgrading beyond MacOS 8.1 and these DOS cards is the incompatibility between the "PC Setup 1.6.4" software and Open Transport. 2x. I know that "PC Setup 2.1.7f" solves that issue, but I've been reluctant to install it because of having to install it over 1.6.4 - maybe I'll come around one day :) My work-around has been to uninstall OT 2x and replace it with OT 1.1.2, which seems to work fine. I wouldn't recommend that anyone does this, if it's their only Mac. -I haven't noticed any issues so far, is all. I was interested to read at the web link you provided, about "USB Support" installed by Mac OS 9.1, which adds support for PCI USB cards, conflicts with the PC Setup 1.6.4 control panel". Something I haven't struck yet [running 8.6 and no USB card] but may find out if I install a USB PCI card at some later stage. Good luck with finding a solution. Mike -- Mac-N-DOS is sponsored by <http://lowendmac.com/> and... / Buy books, CDs, videos, and more from Amazon.com \ / <http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home/lowendmac> \ Support Low End Mac <http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html> Mac-N-DOS list info: <http://lowendmac.com/lists/mac-n-dos.shtml> --> AOL users, remove "mailto:"; Send list messages to: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To unsubscribe, email: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> For digest mode, email: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subscription questions: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Archive: <http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-n-dos%40mail.maclaunch.com/> Using a Mac? Free email & more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
