Hi Eric, *,
On 7/23/07, eric.bachard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Pavel Janík a écrit :
> I do not respect some of your decisions
I'm here to give some directions, some visions of the MAc OS X port
future. Not decide for everything.
Sure, but you push your ideas (and that is fine) - and your opinion as
lead of the project of course is important (that is fine as well).
Please, read again the logs of the IRC meetings.
You don't get what Pavel is talking about. It is not about IRC meetings
or who makes decisions. It is mainly about communication, about how you
tell things, about how you understand/interpret things that other people write.
I'm all on Pavel's side here: You have a "slim skin", you take things personally
very, very fast, even when clearly marked as joke or as sarcasm, you still
insist that it was a personal attack.
And you have a big problem on focusing on one single topic. You seem to
always throw everything into one pot, instead of focusing on the one single
topic that is being discussed. Here again. You start about documenting code
and stuff, but this is all distracting from the topic here.
[many irrelevant (for this discussion) stuff snipped]
> Yes. You or someone else could fix it faster than it got fixed in
> unomacli64.
Please read again : I used the word integrated. And the issue was fixed
before Maho started his build, and the fix could have been used.
And you should read again what Pavel's main point about this whole thing
is:
He (Pavel) - and I agree here - wants clean builds. Either from a Master or
from a cws. No mixtures from different cws, no additional patches. So even
if a patch is already integrated, it still would be an additional patch that
would result in a dirty build. That's bad for one (Maho) who provides regular
snapshot builds. Maho should not care about additional patches. Only build
breakers matter (obviously, or the build has to be skipped completely).
While I agree with you (Eric), that is is not *necessary* to provide the full
set of localisations, I would never request that Maho should not provide them.
I'm thankful that he provides them.
> And the only stupid thing is to argue about this :-(
This is your statement.
No, he's not alone with this.
[...]
This is not a hack. Extract the cws and apply it to m221 is correct,
No, not for the regular builds that Maho provides. They should be as pristine
as possible. This is what Pavel stresses all the time (and as I
mentioned I agree
with him on that topic) - and unfortunately what you either don't understand
or simply ignore/don't acknowledge.
mainly when the cws is necessary to make the build work !
That doesn't matter in that case. This is not a build that is advertised to the
public, this is not a server that is advertised to the public/end user - so
that doesn't matter at all. The development snapshots are "use at your own
risk" - and when it breaks, of course you should be thankful about the feedback.
In that case you can always point the user to the official snapshots or to the
cws, that it is already fixed in cvs.
[...]
Of course I agree to provide all possible locales. but when disk space
is important, something more close to the reality is the compromise.
So if Maho is out of diskspace, he will either reduce the number of locales
or ask somebody else to host parts of the builds. It is not your job to tell
Maho not to provide these builds. Again, I'm thankful that he provides those
builds, although I personally don't have a use for many of them.
Instead of discuss about different point of views, could we have serious
figures about what is really downloaded ? I'm sure this will help more
to decide a more "reallistic" number of locales.
Again: Why do you care? It is Maho's/Good-Day's infrastructure - it is taking up
disk-space, yes. But does this matter? How are you concerned personally, how
does this concern the Mac-Port as a whole?
Or put otherwise: Why do you want to tell Maho what he is "allowed" to upload
and what to omit?
(I'm sure you will reply that you don't command anybody to do something, but
this is only a matter of interpretation)
And: This is not a personal attack either, even when you might feel
like it was...
ciao
Christian
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