Well, having a history on this listserve of being potentially the most
offensive when it comes to political issues, I should just shut up . . . But
I can't!

I cherish my privacy more than the average bear.  I don't want anybody
reading my mail, email, knowing my finances, seeing my tax return.  When
people ask how much I make because they need the info. for their application
or survey, I tell  them it's none of their business!

With that said, we probably all recognize that our world will never be the
same.  We haven't had a threat in our community, yet. Because of that, there
will be many folks out there who are against any change at all because it
infringes upon their constitutional rights.  I feel the same way.  The
bottom line is it hasn't hit close enough to home yet for us to feel the
sting and why change the rules if we haven't been hurt.

I always think back to an old Star Trek movie where Spock is dying because
he sacrificed himself to save the ship and the crew.  It depicted the
philosophy "The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few."

The time may be growing near when we have to be willing to sacrifice a
little of our privacy in an effort to prevent potential harm that may affect
many others than just ourselves.

Ward Oldham



On 11/19/02 12:00 PM, "David Dudine" <ddudine at psci.net> wrote:

> Dear Group,
> 
> Lee has given me permission to post this from conservative William Safire.
> 
> If you do not want the government watching your internet activity and
> reading your email, you should contact your Senators IMMEDIATELY and voice
> your opposition.  It is being rammed through by Bush as you read this.
> 
> David Dudine
> 
> ..........................
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> New York Times, November 14, 2002:  Opinion
> 
> You Are a Suspect
> 
> By WILLIAM SAFIRE
> 
> 
> WASHINGTON ? If the Homeland Security Act is not amended before passage,
> here is what will happen to you:
> 
> Every purchase you make with a credit card, every magazine subscription you
> buy and medical prescription you fill, every Web site you visit and e-mail
> you send or receive, every academic grade you receive, every bank deposit
> you make, every trip you book and every event you attend ? all these
> transactions and communications will go into what the Defense Department
> describes as "a virtual, centralized grand database."
> 
> To this computerized dossier on your private life from commercial sources,
> add every piece of information that government has about you ? passport
> application, driver's license and bridge toll records, judicial and divorce
> records, complaints from nosy neighbors to the F.B.I., your lifetime paper
> trail plus the latest hidden camera surveillance ? and you have the
> supersnoop's dream: a "Total Information Awareness" about every U.S.
> citizen.
> 
> This is not some far-out Orwellian scenario. It is what will happen to your
> personal freedom in the next few weeks if John Poindexter gets the
> unprecedented power he seeks.
> 
> Remember Poindexter? Brilliant man, first in his class at the Naval
> Academy, later earned a doctorate in physics, rose to national security
> adviser under President Ronald Reagan. He had this brilliant idea of
> secretly selling missiles to Iran to pay ransom for hostages, and with the
> illicit proceeds to illegally support contras in Nicaragua.
> 
> A jury convicted Poindexter in 1990 on five felony counts of misleading
> Congress and making false statements, but an appeals court overturned the
> verdict because Congress had given him immunity for his testimony. He
> famously asserted, "The buck stops here," arguing that the White House
> staff, and not the president, was responsible for fateful decisions that
> might prove embarrassing.
> 
> This ring-knocking master of deceit is back again with a plan even more
> scandalous than Iran-contra. He heads the "Information Awareness Office" in
> the otherwise excellent Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency, which
> spawned the Internet and stealth aircraft technology. Poindexter is now
> realizing his 20-year dream: getting the "data-mining" power to snoop on
> every public and private act of every American.
> 
> Even the hastily passed U.S.A. Patriot Act, which widened the scope of the
> Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act and weakened 15 privacy laws, raised
> requirements for the government to report secret eavesdropping to Congress
> and the courts. But Poindexter's assault on individual privacy rides
> roughshod over such oversight.
> 
> He is determined to break down the wall between commercial snooping and
> secret government intrusion. The disgraced admiral dismisses such necessary
> differentiation as bureaucratic "stovepiping." And he has been given a $200
> million budget to create computer dossiers on 300 million Americans.
> 
> When George W. Bush was running for president, he stood foursquare in
> defense of each person's medical, financial and communications privacy. But
> Poindexter, whose contempt for the restraints of oversight drew the Reagan
> administration into its most serious blunder, is still operating on the
> presumption that on such a sweeping theft of privacy rights, the buck ends
> with him and not with the president.
> 
> This time, however, he has been seizing power in the open. In the past week
> John Markoff of The Times, followed by Robert O'Harrow of The Washington
> Post, have revealed the extent of Poindexter's operation, but editorialists
> have not grasped its undermining of the Freedom of Information Act.
> 
> Political awareness can overcome "Total Information Awareness," the
> combined force of commercial and government snooping. In a similar
> overreach, Attorney General Ashcroft tried his Terrorism Information and
> Prevention System (TIPS), but public outrage at the use of gossips and
> postal workers as snoops caused the House to shoot it down. The Senate
> should now do the same to this other exploitation of fear.
> 
> The Latin motto over Poindexter"s new Pentagon office reads "Scientia Est
> Potentia" ? "knowledge is power." Exactly: the government's infinite
> knowledge about you is its power over you. "We're just as concerned as the
> next person with protecting privacy," this brilliant mind blandly assured
> The Post. A jury found he spoke falsely before.
> 
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