There's a splitter just before it. Route your mouse to that, then hold the mouse button down while dragging straight down on the mouse. If you do it right, which might take a few tries, the pane will go away. > On Oct 20, 2014, at 9:36 AM, Devin Prater <d.pra...@me.com> wrote: > > So, how did you turn off the preview pane? > > Sent from my iPad > > On Oct 20, 2014, at 8:32 AM, Alex Hall <mehg...@icloud.com > <mailto:mehg...@icloud.com>> wrote: > >> I don't use the preview pane, which is how vo-j lets you read a message, >> because doing so will mark a message ad "read" once I arrow past it, even if >> I don't read it. What I can say is that I'm back in standard view for now, >> because there's a bug in classic view where VoiceOver says that every >> message is a conversation. This gets very verbose, and it wasn't worth >> dealing with. Standard view works just fine, though. >>> On Oct 20, 2014, at 9:02 AM, Les Kriegler <kriegle...@gmail.com >>> <mailto:kriegle...@gmail.com>> wrote: >>> >>> Hi Alex, >>> >>> First of all, thanks for the excellent podcast you did on Apple this. I had >>> a question about mail. I have not upgraded yet. I suspect they will do so >>> soon. I am wondering since I use classic view to read mail in conversation >>> threads, I use VO – J all the time. Will I be able to do that as I have >>> been doing well I need to modify how I do this? Thanks. >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> On Oct 20, 2014, at 8:57 AM, Alex Hall <mehg...@icloud.com >>> <mailto:mehg...@icloud.com>> wrote: >>> >>>> I've heard one report of the unread status being unreliable, but that's >>>> it. I don't have that problem, and I've not heard anyone else talk about >>>> it aside from that single report. Maybe you'll run into it, but for what >>>> it's worth, I haven't. >>>>> On Oct 20, 2014, at 5:11 AM, Ray Foret Jr <rforet7...@comcast.net >>>>> <mailto:rforet7...@comcast.net>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> I for one, applaud what you and the others are doing with respect to your >>>>> work on Mail and the other parts of Yosemite. Just one thing bothers me. >>>>> I am informed that with this version of Mail, messages are indicated to >>>>> be unread even if they have in fact been read. Is this so? In fact, >>>>> it's the one small factor holding me back from doing the update. I trust >>>>> the signatures part crashing has also been fixed? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Sincerely, >>>>> the Constantly Barefooted Ray, Still a very happy Mac and iphone user! >>>>> Sent from my Mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the blind >>>>> built-in and fully protected by ClamXav Antivirus! >>>>> >>>>> On Oct 20, 2014, at 2:21 AM, M. Taylor <mk...@ucla.edu >>>>> <mailto:mk...@ucla.edu>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hello Pamela, >>>>>> >>>>>> You wrote: >>>>>> "Is it different than the junk they released with this most recent OS?" >>>>>> >>>>>> It truly saddens me that you feel that the current build of Mail is >>>>>> junky. >>>>>> >>>>>> While I think I can understand your frustration, I want you to know that >>>>>> I >>>>>> and others worked very hard to make sure that the core functionality of >>>>>> the >>>>>> application was not lost in this, the first commercial release of the >>>>>> application. >>>>>> >>>>>> In the previous version of Mail, using the VoiceOver + arrow key combos >>>>>> made >>>>>> sense in terms of the order in which items were placed into focus. Now, >>>>>> as >>>>>> you have no doubt discovered, navigating from the Mailboxes Table to the >>>>>> Messages table, for example, is no longer linear. In fact, the order in >>>>>> which they appear makes no sense, at all, from a VoiceOver user's >>>>>> perspective, in my opinion of course. >>>>>> >>>>>> Please know that these kinds of things have been bugged and Apple is >>>>>> quite >>>>>> aware of them. I do not know why they were not addressed in this release >>>>>> but rest assured that I and others will continue to press for >>>>>> improvements. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> I, personally, don't use the Classic view but, with just one or two >>>>>> little >>>>>> changes in keystroke combos, the Standard view works just as well as it >>>>>> did >>>>>> in Maverick. >>>>>> >>>>>> I do not write this because I am trying to save face for Apple, I am >>>>>> writing >>>>>> this because I believe in the power of this application. >>>>>> >>>>>> I will be happy to help you get your Mail groove back, using Yosemite >>>>>> Mail >>>>>> by discussing the application in more detail, off-list, should you wish. >>>>>> >>>>>> Mark >>>>>> >>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>>>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> >>>>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>>>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>] On Behalf Of Pamela Francis >>>>>> Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2014 12:11 AM >>>>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>>>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> >>>>>> Subject: Re: mail in 10.10 >>>>>> >>>>>> Hi guys, >>>>>> Through my involvement with this list, I have constantly heard people >>>>>> referred to classic view in mail. What is it, how do you get there? Is it >>>>>> different than the junk they released with this most recent OS? >>>>>> >>>>>> Pam Francis >>>>>> >>>>>> On Oct 19, 2014, at 1:27 AM, Nicholas Parsons >>>>>> <mr.nicholas.pars...@gmail.com <mailto:mr.nicholas.pars...@gmail.com>> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Mail 8.0 is working well for me, though in Classic view all messages >>>>>> seem to >>>>>> be marked as conversations whether they are or not, and in standard view >>>>>> they are all marked as unread whether they are or not. However, I like >>>>>> the >>>>>> fact that the unread status is back to the beginning of the info >>>>>> announced >>>>>> in standard view. Apart from this, it seems snappier than ever, but >>>>>> responsiveness depends on many factors and your milage may vary. >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>>>>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >>>>>> email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com >>>>>> <mailto:macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com>. >>>>>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>>>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>. >>>>>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries >>>>>> <http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries>. >>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout >>>>>> <https://groups.google.com/d/optout>. >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>>>>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop 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