Um, what if I don't have mouse? Sent from my iPad
> On Oct 20, 2014, at 8:42 AM, Alex Hall <mehg...@icloud.com> wrote: > > There's a splitter just before it. Route your mouse to that, then hold the > mouse button down while dragging straight down on the mouse. If you do it > right, which might take a few tries, the pane will go away. >> On Oct 20, 2014, at 9:36 AM, Devin Prater <d.pra...@me.com> wrote: >> >> So, how did you turn off the preview pane? >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >>> On Oct 20, 2014, at 8:32 AM, Alex Hall <mehg...@icloud.com> wrote: >>> >>> I don't use the preview pane, which is how vo-j lets you read a message, >>> because doing so will mark a message ad "read" once I arrow past it, even >>> if I don't read it. What I can say is that I'm back in standard view for >>> now, because there's a bug in classic view where VoiceOver says that every >>> message is a conversation. This gets very verbose, and it wasn't worth >>> dealing with. Standard view works just fine, though. >>>> On Oct 20, 2014, at 9:02 AM, Les Kriegler <kriegle...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> Hi Alex, >>>> >>>> First of all, thanks for the excellent podcast you did on Apple this. I >>>> had a question about mail. I have not upgraded yet. I suspect they will do >>>> so soon. I am wondering since I use classic view to read mail in >>>> conversation threads, I use VO – J all the time. Will I be able to do that >>>> as I have been doing well I need to modify how I do this? Thanks. >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>> >>>>> On Oct 20, 2014, at 8:57 AM, Alex Hall <mehg...@icloud.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> I've heard one report of the unread status being unreliable, but that's >>>>> it. I don't have that problem, and I've not heard anyone else talk about >>>>> it aside from that single report. Maybe you'll run into it, but for what >>>>> it's worth, I haven't. >>>>>> On Oct 20, 2014, at 5:11 AM, Ray Foret Jr <rforet7...@comcast.net> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> I for one, applaud what you and the others are doing with respect to >>>>>> your work on Mail and the other parts of Yosemite. Just one thing >>>>>> bothers me. I am informed that with this version of Mail, messages are >>>>>> indicated to be unread even if they have in fact been read. Is this so? >>>>>> In fact, it's the one small factor holding me back from doing the >>>>>> update. I trust the signatures part crashing has also been fixed? >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Sincerely, >>>>>> the Constantly Barefooted Ray, Still a very happy Mac and iphone user! >>>>>> Sent from my Mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the >>>>>> blind built-in and fully protected by ClamXav Antivirus! >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Oct 20, 2014, at 2:21 AM, M. Taylor <mk...@ucla.edu> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Hello Pamela, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> You wrote: >>>>>>> "Is it different than the junk they released with this most recent OS?" >>>>>>> >>>>>>> It truly saddens me that you feel that the current build of Mail is >>>>>>> junky. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> While I think I can understand your frustration, I want you to know >>>>>>> that I >>>>>>> and others worked very hard to make sure that the core functionality of >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> application was not lost in this, the first commercial release of the >>>>>>> application. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> In the previous version of Mail, using the VoiceOver + arrow key combos >>>>>>> made >>>>>>> sense in terms of the order in which items were placed into focus. >>>>>>> Now, as >>>>>>> you have no doubt discovered, navigating from the Mailboxes Table to the >>>>>>> Messages table, for example, is no longer linear. In fact, the order in >>>>>>> which they appear makes no sense, at all, from a VoiceOver user's >>>>>>> perspective, in my opinion of course. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Please know that these kinds of things have been bugged and Apple is >>>>>>> quite >>>>>>> aware of them. I do not know why they were not addressed in this >>>>>>> release >>>>>>> but rest assured that I and others will continue to press for >>>>>>> improvements. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I, personally, don't use the Classic view but, with just one or two >>>>>>> little >>>>>>> changes in keystroke combos, the Standard view works just as well as it >>>>>>> did >>>>>>> in Maverick. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I do not write this because I am trying to save face for Apple, I am >>>>>>> writing >>>>>>> this because I believe in the power of this application. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I will be happy to help you get your Mail groove back, using Yosemite >>>>>>> Mail >>>>>>> by discussing the application in more detail, off-list, should you wish. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Mark >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>>>>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Pamela Francis >>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2014 12:11 AM >>>>>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>>>>>> Subject: Re: mail in 10.10 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi guys, >>>>>>> Through my involvement with this list, I have constantly heard people >>>>>>> referred to classic view in mail. What is it, how do you get there? Is >>>>>>> it >>>>>>> different than the junk they released with this most recent OS? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Pam Francis >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Oct 19, 2014, at 1:27 AM, Nicholas Parsons >>>>>>> <mr.nicholas.pars...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Mail 8.0 is working well for me, though in Classic view all messages >>>>>>> seem to >>>>>>> be marked as conversations whether they are or not, and in standard view >>>>>>> they are all marked as unread whether they are or not. However, I like >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> fact that the unread status is back to the beginning of the info >>>>>>> announced >>>>>>> in standard view. Apart from this, it seems snappier than ever, but >>>>>>> responsiveness depends on many factors and your milage may vary. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>> Groups >>>>>>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>>>>> an >>>>>>> email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. >>>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>> Groups >>>>>>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>>>>> an >>>>>>> email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. >>>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>> Groups "MacVisionaries" group. >>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>>>>> an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. >>>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>> Groups "MacVisionaries" group. >>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>>>> an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>>>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>>>>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. >>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Have a great day, >>>>> Alex Hall >>>>> mehg...@icloud.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>>>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >>>>> email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>>>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. >>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >>>> email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. >>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Have a great day, >>> Alex Hall >>> mehg...@icloud.com >>> >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >>> email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > > -- > Have a great day, > Alex Hall > mehg...@icloud.com > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. 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